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Cue sports Low‑importance

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This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

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Snooker Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Snooker, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of snooker on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SnookerWikipedia:WikiProject SnookerTemplate:WikiProject SnookerSnooker
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Wales Mid‑importance

	Wales portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Wales, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Wales on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WalesWikipedia:WikiProject WalesTemplate:WikiProject WalesWales
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2007 Welsh Open (snooker)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 14:58, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I will use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It contains copyright infringements - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). - CopyVio detector comes up with a few things, but seems unlikely when I checked the sources. Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. - Y Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:01, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Links

I'd usually use the dispenser for this, but it's currently out of service. May do a manual one, and check again if the dispenser is back up before the end of the review. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

Lede

"The 2007 Welsh Open was the 2007 edition of the Welsh Open professional snooker tournament and was held from 12 to 18 February 2007 at the Newport Centre in Newport, South East Wales." - Is it worth mentioning that the tournament was first held in 1992, or that it was the 16th version of the event? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:04, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure I like commenting on their semifinals. I'd either mention who Robertson beat along to winning the event - Notable wins, or nothing at all. Just mentioning who they beat in the semis seems incomplete to me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Have mentioned who Robertson beat en route to the final. MWright96 (talk) 19:22, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"500-1 outsider" is ok, but perhaps it would be important to note that it was just his third appearance in the main stages of a professional competition. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd have "maximum break" in the lede. As much as it is wikilinked, a 147 is still jargon Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:29, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tournament summary

"in 1992 initially in February after the Masters, " taking place after the MastersBest Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:13, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"but later took the spot of the Classic in January." later replaced the Classic in January. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:13, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
and the host broadcasters were BBC Cymru Wales and Eurosport - Was there no international broadcast? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:13, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- That information for this particular competition is unavailable online. MWright96 (talk) 16:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Day, one of four Welshmen competing in the 48-player tournament - As much as this is probably the correct way to write this, as you mentioned Ryan Day in the previous paragraph, it may be prudent to say Ryan Day here. I was quite confused by this, as the sentence before is talking about O'Sullivan. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure I'm ok with the quote here ""I feel as if I'm still playing well and I would like to build with another good run in the Welsh. I'm up to 12th in the latest rankings, so if I can do well in Newport I can virtually guarantee my top-16 place."". It seems out of place. I'm sure lots of people commented on their chances pre-tournament. To single him out seems weird (if he was defending champion, or eventual champion/runner up this would be fine. The Dott quote is fine for this reason). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Removed entirely. MWright96 (talk) 16:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Qualifying should mention the structure of qualifying (IE, it's three rounds), with higher rated players getting byes. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"All matches were best-of-nine frames until the semi-finals." - This should not be in the qualifing section. Either background, or round 1. This should simply say the qualifying rounds were all best of 9-frames. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure I like the wording "The other successful qualifiers", seeings the last sentence talked about an unsuccessful qualifier. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:37, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Preece being 47–2 ahead in the first frame" - Is this notable? A 45 point lead isn't too much in snooker. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Deleted. MWright96 (talk) 16:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Another whitewash occurred when Day was beaten 5–0" - Same note as before. When was Ryan Day last mentioned in the article? It was two subsections ago. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to be an ongoing thing throughout the article. Is this a common thing? Using a last name is fine, but normally only if it's been introduced reasonably closely in the article.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Referring to players by their surname is common on this encyclopedia. MWright96 (talk) 16:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
breaks of 87, 87 and 65" - Seems like this should say "two breaks of 87 and a 65..." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"(a 135 clearance and runs of 123, 102 and 101) " - is runs a technical name for a break? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As a word, I think "defeated" is better than "beat". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In the third round on 15 February[4] O'Sullivan won 5–1 against Selby - held on Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
He claimed the first frame on the pink ball - first frame by potting the pink ball Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A few cites are inside a sentence here. It's probably best to move them to the end of the sentence for flow - unless the information is contentious Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Trailing 2–0[26] Burnett recovered to 4–2 and he forced a final frame decider with a break of 104 in frame seven and he claimed the eighth on the blue ball after Murphy missed an easy brown ball shot. Murphy won frame nine unchallenged - I'm not sure recovering is right here, I'd say "after trailing 2-0, and 4-2, Burnett recovered and forced a final frame decider by scoring a break of 104 in frame seven, and claiming frame eight by potting the blue ball, after Murphy missed a simple brown ball pot." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But Robertson - However, Robertson Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Doherty made breaks of 99 and 111 to tie with Maguire but the latter drew clear to claim a 5–3 victory, his first win against Doherty in three attempts - There needs to be more context here. Doherty made these breaks to tie at 2-2 or 3-3? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quarter-finals onwards

"Higginson achieved the highest break in the tournament with the first maximum break of his career, the third in the history of the Welsh Open and the 56th in professional competition in the second frame of his 5–1 victory over Carter" - Reword. Higginson scored a maximum break in the second frame of his 5-1 victory over Ali Carter. The maximum was Higginson's first, the third in the history of the Welsh Open, and the 56th professional maximum in competition. - Or similar. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Carter prevented a whitewash with a break of 54 in frame five and Higginson won the match with a break of 104 - Edit for flow. Carter prevented the whitewash... however, Higginson... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
which O'Sullivan nullified with breaks - I hate this terminology. Winning two frames doesn't nullify or negate the first two. O'Sullivan tied with is much better. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
contact with the yellow ball and the latter won frame six on a red ball. - What does that even mean? Winning on the black means that one player was only 7 or less points ahead; winning on a red seems a little irrelevant. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say "Both semi-final matches held on 17 February 2007 were increased to beat of 11 frame matches." This shows enphasis on it being more than prior rounds. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" prevented Davis from challenging for his first ranking tournament title" - strictly speaking, simply entering the event is challenging for the title. Say his first final Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Davis began by winning" - Davis won the opening frame, with Robertson responding Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The quote by Neil is quite long. Probably need to summarize. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I looked for a while on the term "defeat of" in "with his defeat of Maguire". I thought this meant Maguire defeated him? I couldn't find much on the subject, [7] didn't help. However, "defeat over" negates this completely. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"The best-of-17 frames final was played against Robertson and Higginson on 18 February" I don't think this is quite what you meant. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"second triumph in a world ranking tournament" - Are there other types of ranking events? Just remove the word world. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like a re-structure of the final. I'd want to see information of the final (scores and such), and a later paragraph on what this meant for Robertson and the press. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:15, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notes & References

These look good. Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:01, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

General comments

As I have only three edits on the page (One of which was a title change, and another editing the wikidata.) I don't feel I have enough COI to not review this article. Let me know if there's any issues with the above review. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:00, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm gonna place this one on hold. Two of my biggest issues is that the names are all last names (and that can get quite confusing), and some of the prose needs tightening. Some of my issues/suggestions are above. It shouldn't be too difficult to improve however. Let me know if you would like me to explain anything I've said. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:17, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Lee Vilenski: Hopefully that is all the the necessary changes made and have replied where appropriate. MWright96 (talk) 16:50, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]