File talk:Same-sex marriage map Europe detailed.svg

Malta, Republic of Macedonia, Faroe Islands

Malta should be cyan blue. The Republic of Macedonia should be red, Faroe Islands should be blue as ratification from the Danish parliament is completely typical. Xylo kai Gyali (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Portugal

Should Portugal be shaded yellow along with Slovenia and Luxembourg due to the fact they are likely to vote on the matter soon? Just a thought... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.74.216.65 (talk) 18:11, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

The law has passed. It should be dark blue now.

The law was NOT passed, it was legalised but not signed into effect becomming law, "the new law, if signed by the President, would come into force in April 2010". See: Same-sex marriage in Portugal - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

It's time to finally make Portugal dark blue.On 7 April the Constitutional Court approved the same-sex marriage bill. Even if Silva vetoes the bill despite the ruling,which is very unlikely to happen, the veto would be overturned by parliament. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JanWernet (talk • contribs) 18:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I do not agree. Shoul be blue when president sign the bill or parliament override veto. Ron 1987 19:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Cyprus

Should Cyprus not be shaded yellow along with Portugal, Slovenia and Luxembourg due to the fact the government is looking into legalising same sex marriage quote: The Cypriot Interior Ministry Permanent Secretary, Lazaros Savvides, said in February 2010 that the Cypriot government will soon examine the issue of making same-sex marriages legal in Cyprus. http://www.cyprus-mail.com/features/government-look-legalising-gay-marriage/20100228 Government to look at legalising gay marriage Grs70 (talk) 19:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Malta and Faroe Islands

Malta should be yellow. See Recognition of same-sex unions in Malta or [1][2]. Faroe Islands should be grey. Ron 1987 23:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Belarus.

Can somebody make Belarus red?

According to constitution, marriage is union between man and woman:

"Article 32 [Marriage, Family] (1) Marriage, the family, motherhood, fatherhood, and childhood shall be under the protection of the State. (2) On reaching the age of consent, women and men shall have the right to enter into marriage on a voluntary basis and start a family. A husband and wife shall be equal in family relationships. Parents or persons in loco parentis shall be entitled and required to raise their children and to take care of their health, development, and education. No child shall be subjected to cruel treatment or humiliation or used for work that may be harmful to its physical, mental, or moral development. Children shall care for their parents or persons in loco parentis and render them assistance."

A Man from Poland (talk) 23:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

The wording of Article 32 is, in my opinion, rather ambigious. If anything, the provision seems to be one of which would require "statutory support" by explicitly excluding same-sex couples. For example, if a constitution was to read "Upon the age of eighteen, men will have the right to vote," this clause does not explicitly bar women from voting, and perhaps it is a statute that specifically prohibits women's suffrage. In this respect, if parliament was to pass a statue explicitly stated women have the right to vote, would this be considered unconstitutional? If, in your opinion, such would be indeed unconstitutional, than Belarus should remain red. If it was ruled constitutional, then Belarus should be gray. If you were to share my opinion that the clause is, indeed, too vague to discern a firm assessment on the matter, than I would likewise recommend that Belarus be reverted to gray until recognition comes or that of a court ruling (should it conclude that the constitution prohibits SSM.). VoodooIsland (talk) 05:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Iceland

Same sex marriage has just been made legal in Iceland. Please update the map. --Cessator (talk) 13:44, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Finland

The issue of same-sex marriage is under debate in Finland, as four out of the five biggest political parties have decided to take approval of gay marriage and adoption rights on their agenda after the parliament elections of 2011. MP Oras Tynkkynen has made a motion on the parliament to approve gender neutral marriage law. Therefore Finland should be marked as yellow on the map.[3][4] 109.108.22.199 (talk) 16:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

As this picture includes laws that have not yet gone into effect, Finland's color should be changed. Parliament approved same-sex marriage. --82.131.0.9 (talk) 13:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Ireland

[5] Ron 1987 18:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

On 1 July, 2010 the Civil Partnership Bill passed all stages.

Therefore the map needs to be updated to mark Ireland as "Other type of partnership". (Rasbora100 (talk) 14:48, 12 July 2010 (UTC))

Kosovo

Can someone please fix this map to include Kosovo, it is in europe and it deserves recognition. Thanks Rctycoplay (talk) 15:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Albania

Shouldn't Albania be in grey now? The government opted not to legalise gay marriage in February after not securing enough votes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.142.73 (talk) 18:32, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Issue of same-sex marriage is frozen. See Recognition of same-sex unions in Albania Ron 1987 18:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Agree as well. It is quite possible that a same-sex marriage bill could be introduced in the near future (depending on when the Socialist Party ceases its boycott) so the bill can have the support that it needs. Even if every single member of parliament voted in favor currently, there would be too few parliamentarians for the Family Code to be amended. As same-sex marriage seems to be at the polar opposite of a populist move in macho Albania, it is conceivable that Berisha is intent on such legislation and could have such up for debate in the coming future. The muffled status of such a debate, potentially, could be explained for Berisha's preference to quell religious opposition, though when considering the vehemently antitheistic views shared by the sound majority of Albanians, I doubt such opposition would have any negative effects. VoodooIsland (talk) 05:03, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Estonia

In continuation from my previous point about Albania, should Estonia now be grey to? I'm not certain if the issue of registered partnerships is frozen in Estonia, however after looking at the article regarding gay rights in Estonia, there seems to be no clear plan to introduce such a bill? However I'm still not certain what to make of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.142.73 (talk) 21:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Greece

I think Greece should be yellow as the Government is currently considering a Registered Partnership bill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.142.73 (talk) 19:14, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Poland

Left Democratic Alliance party (SLD) wants to deploy regulating statue of civil partnership in few days in Polish pariliament, so Poland should be changed to yellow.

SLD only wants to do it. Maybe they submit formal proposal propose on March 2011. Or maybe on April. Or maybe they do not. Yellow is for current consideration, not prospective ones in the future. Please revert Poland, it is too early for yellow colour. WTM (talk) 18:44, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of this, IMO Poland should never be completely yellow, but at most something like "yellow/red-striped" - as long as they have the constitutional ban, they also belong to the "red" category. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 19:51, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Jersey & Isle of Man

I know they haven't been given Royal assent yet, but the civil partnerships bill are likely to be ratified, and it seems to be a technicality, so maybe they shoudl be made blue now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.142.73 (talk) 18:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Faroe Islands

Do I miss something on why the Faroe Islands is yellow? I cant find anything about why it shouldnt be gray on LGBT rights in Europe or LGBT rights in the Faroe Islands. Old data? Misstake? Faroe Island is the yellow dot north of the UK between Norway and Iceland. Can someone please fix this? :-) Lokpest (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Faroe Islands should be gray. Greece should be yellow. See Recognition of same-sex unions in Greece. Cyprus should be gray, because the issue of same-sex unions is, apparently, frozen. Ron 1987 19:09, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Map Too Small

The Map used has been zoomed in and it doesn't show all of Europe. It is slightly biased as it only shows the outline of the EU and not the continent of Europe. I suggest changing the map to the one that is currently being used for the LGBT adoption in Europe map as it is considerably bigger and shows all of Europe. Please make this change. I would do it myself If I knew how to Rctycoplay (talk) 14:27, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Updates

Greece, Poland and Romania should be YELLOW!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.143.184 (talk) 02:15, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Ad Poland - WTM (talk) 19:12, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Faroe Island and Cyprus.

Faroe Island and Cyprus should be gray. Ron 1987 (talk) 14:02, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Albania should be light blue as per following article from Wikipedia: "On 4 February 2010, the Albanian Parliament unanimously adopted a comprehensive anti-discrimination law which banned discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity. The law bans discrimination in all areas, including employment, the provision of goods and services, education, health care, and housing.[9] Albania is one of few European countries to explicitly ban discrimination on the basis of gender identity. The law also exceeds EU minimum standards, which require that employers refrain from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.16.174 (talk) 05:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Isle of Mann

Isle of Mann should be medium blue please, will recieve Royal assent for the Civil PArtnership bill today.

http://www.three.fm/newscentre/isle-of-man-news/civil-partnerships-could-soon-be-part-of-manx-law-3156 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.143.184 (talk) 16:35, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

The civil partnership bill was signed into law, so Isle of Man should be changed. See [6] Ron 1987 (talk) 01:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I updated the status of the Isle of Man. Hekerui (talk) 08:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Liechtenstein

• Schweizer Fernsehen:Liechtenstein:Ja zur Homo-Ehe (german)

Liechtenstein passed civil union legislation in second reading and law takes effect on 1 September 2011. So Liechtenstein should be medium blue please. German journalist (talk) 17:24, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Lichtenstein approved a domestic partnership bill, but the law could be subject to referendum, so I suggest holding off a change until the law becomes inevitable. Hekerui (talk) 08:29, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I'd actually suggest waiting further until the law takes effect in September. Situation in Li. does not change before that date.--Roentgenium111 (talk) 19:47, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Can we stop the "under political consideration" nonsense?

Can we *please* stop coloring countries yellow because of a vague, arbitrary "under political consideration" labels? What the hell does does that mean? Does it means that a law is being actually debated in parliament? If so, then Greece oughtn't be yellow - no such law is currently discussed there. Does it mean that some politician somewhere perhaps is considering of perhaps suggesting a law that will eventually be debated? If so, then every country in the world would probably be yellow. Just remove this arbitrary meaningless label once and for all. The colors should be about the *actual* situation, not about "considerations". Aris Katsaris (talk) 08:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I think hes right, its a little confussing right now. Because otherwise, UK should be colored yellow too, they are discussing it now. The color red should be also changed, because there are many countries, like France, that ban marriage to man and woman only but also have civil unions, so should those counttirs be colored light blue and red??? I think red countries should be those that ban both marriage and cicil unions for same sex couples, that way it wouldnt be confusing. : ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.131.87.67 (talk • contribs)

@ unsigned commmenter: I don't think there is any European country that explicitly bans same-sex civil unions, so this colouring would make little sense. Do you have a reference for France banning same-sex marriage? That sounds highly dubious to me.

Back to the topic: There should definitely be a general rule for when to colour a country yellow. I suggest to colour exactly those countries yellow where such a law is either in the legislation process, or officially announced by the government to be implemented within its current legislature period. (And countries already recognising civil unions and/or marriages, like the UK, should never be coloured yellow.) --Roentgenium111 (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I fully agree. Same-sex marriage is not banned by the French constitution. Ron 1987 (talk) 23:47, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry u are right, its not banned by the french constitution, but by its civil code, and I read that in the Same-sex marriage in France article. : / — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.131.87.67 (talk • contribs)

I agree we should do away with that colour/group because it is inherently vague. Does it mean some politicians are talking about it, does it mean proposals are made, does it mean proposals are party passed but stalled, does it mean it's part of discussion surrounding an election? None of this is clear and I can find no news on concrete action on same-sex unions coming out of the states currently marked yellow (Faroe Islands, Poland, Romania, Greece, Cypress, Malta). Hekerui (talk) 13:30, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Poland should be red. Article 18 of the constitution define mariage as a union between a man and a woman. Ron 1987 (talk) 14:07, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

That is true, Poland needs to be coloured red. That color was lost when the yellowing was inserted. Hekerui (talk) 18:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Hungary

The new Hungarian constitution limits marriage to straight couples BUT Hungary provides civil partnerships already. On the map, Hungary should be civil-union-blue or striped blue-red like they do for the US maps. Full red is plainly wrong. If nobody can redraw the map with stripes, I would suggest to leave Hungary in blue. Here we care about the maximum rights available in each country. I don't know how to fix the issue myself, that's why I'm posting. Finedelledanze (talk) 11:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit reverted. Stripes it's not a good idea. Ron 1987 (talk) 11:28, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

In that case perhaps a change of title should be considered. As it is at the moment, the title of the file suggests that the main theme is same sex marriage instead of "the maximum rights available". If the issue is same sex marriage then Hungary should be red. It is irrelevant if Hungarian gays have other sort of rights. Regards, --Tyk (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Correct. However, that should be done with caution, the image is used quite often and we need to make sure we don't falsify articles. Hekerui (talk) 16:17, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

I think the stripes is a great idea, because it more accurately identifies the status of Hungary. The red reflects the constitutional restriction while the blue affirms the civil unions being available. Swisspass (talk) 10:38, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

If you like stripes, please make a derivative work of this file to use them which you can put it up for discussion as a replacement. I propose this because I don't think we should mess around too much with a much-included image when there seems to be no consensus for the change, yet. Hekerui (talk) 21:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I'd also support stripes since it's the only way to make the map accurate, given that the categories yellow and "civil union"-blue both overlap with red (e.g. Poland, Hungary).--Roentgenium111 (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

@Ron: Please give a reason for why you oppose stripes, so that this debate can be resolved. Currently the map is grossly misleading, since Hungary does ban same-sex marriage. Stripes would solve this, and Mimich's recent (3 June) version looked okay to me in this regard. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 18:41, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

@Ron 1987: Please, could you state your reasons why do you oppose stripes? I also think stripes make the map more accurate. Accuracy and factual correctness are the most important on any encyclopedia. I also agree that the name of the file suggests that it is primarily about same-sex marriage legal status and therefore marriage ban in Hungarian constitution is more important for this map than civil unions legal in Hungary.90.181.138.240 (talk) 06:38, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't believe they are a good idea either. No one claims this map has to reflect every legal detail - we go for the available rights on this one and stripes clutter the page. Hekerui (talk) 09:12, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

The map's key does claim to reflect the "legal detail" (seriously?) of a constitutional ban, by using red colouring. If we have a colouring category for constitutional limits, we must apply it to all countries, or remove it completely; everything else is grossly misleading. "Cluttering" is not at all a reasonable argument against a thorough representation of the facts, IMO. (Or alternatively, add a separate category for Hungary's situation; e.g. colouring it purple (as a "mixture" of red and blue). --Roentgenium111 (talk) 19:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I would prefer to remove the category. It's better solution than stripes. Ron 1987 (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

It annoys me that this map is misleading; Hungary should definitely have stripes. The same has been done on File:Samesex marriage in USA.svg for years, and while it may not be ideal, it does reflect the legal status in the best way. Anyway, I prefer any solution to the current misleading situation. SPQRobin (talk) 13:55, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Not misrepresenting the facts trumps looks or brevity, so long as it's not unclear. I support stripes. Climatophile (talk) 18:27, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Little changes.

The map is 100% correct except for the Faroe Islands & Cyprus. Grey plese. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.139.93 (talk) 12:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Liechtenstein.

The law was approved by voters. Does that mean it should be blue now?

Or does it still have to be ratified by the Head of State? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.71.169 (talk) 12:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The referendum is binding, I updated the page, making Liechtenstein blue. Hekerui (talk) 12:42, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

It does not appear to have changed, will it take a while? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.71.169 (talk) 17:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

There is usually a delay, because from the svg smaller pngs that are included in the individual articles are created. I can see it replaced already - if you can't, try purging the cache. Hekerui (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorted now, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.8.71.169 (talk) 18:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Estonia again

The issue is now once again under public and political debate in Estonia. See this article and use a translator if you need.H2ppyme (talk) 16:48, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

The changes to Estonia changed the whole file dimension. Once we get something more tangible than "there may come discussion" we can change the plan properly. Hekerui (talk) 21:22, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

[7], [8] BTW: Faroe Islands should be grey. There is no debate about recognition of same-sex unions there. Ron 1987 (talk) 21:48, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Jersey

Jersey's civil partnership bill was signed into law. See [9] Ron 1987 (talk) 17:54, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Italy

After yesterday's Court of Cassation ruling, I think Italy should be treated as unregistered cohabitation. According to the highest civil court, same-sex couples have a 'right to family life' and from now on they can ask the judiciary to grant them the same rights as married couples. Can someone please paint Italy in light blue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Finedelledanze (talk • contribs) 09:04, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Denmark

Denmark has gay marriage! It should now be dark blue! I know some will say it shouldn't be update until ratification of the law, but I remember distinctly that nations such as Iceland and Argentina were updated instantly upon legislative passage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.25.101 (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

San Marino

Please update the color of San Marino to light blue. Unregistered partnerships were recently approved by the Parliament, even though only with respect to visa rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.140.10 (talk • contribs)

Can you source this? How is "only with respect to visa rights" equal to "unregistered cohabitation"? Hekerui (talk) 07:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

The source is in fact in other Wikipedia articles, such as LGBT rights in San Marino or those that list the European countries allowing for unregistered cohabitation (not to mention that on legislative actions pertaining same-sex unions). By allowing LGBT partners of San Marino citizens to remain in the country, the law inherently defines the existence of these "unregistered" partnerships. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.95.140.10 (talk) 07:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Turning this image into a .gif?

Just a suggestion. Since many countries are legalizing same-sex marriage in Europe, then perhaps this image could be turned into a .gif file so that it could be animated and transition throughout the years that these nations have been legalizing it. It would turn the image into a timelime. I've seen similar types of .gif files on Wikipedia. (Tigerghost (talk) 05:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC))

A *new* image, to use for e.g. the "timeline of same sex marriage" page, might perhaps be a good idea, but don't think of it as turning *this* image into anything. An image that statically shows just the *current* state of same-sex marriage is a necessity, so this image must remain in the static form it is, depicting only the present day status. Aris Katsaris (talk) 17:06, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

England and Wales

England and Wales need to be coloured dark blue, as the bill has received Royal Assent and is now an Act.. Climatophile (talk) 15:06, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

But there is still NO gay marriage in Scotland & Ulster !!! Someone has "updated" too much ! Reuillois (talk) 07:31, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Scotland has been fixed, but not Northern Ireland. I downloaded the image, and tried to fix it in Inkscape; but there is no separate path for NI - it's part of the UK path, so it's not simply a case of selecting the shape and picking a different fill colour. Not knowing how to split the path, I've left it alone and not reuploaded the "version" that I did produce - which is a mess. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

who was so dumb as to put NI ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.100.133.184 (talk) 08:14, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Northern Ireland

The recently passed marriage law in the UK applies to England and Wales only. Not Northern Ireland - where civil partnerships remain in place. Contaldo80 (talk) 08:42, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

See above. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:28, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Corrected! --Francis Christian (talk) 10:49, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Croatia and Hungary

Voters [in Croatia] have voted in favor of an amendment to their constitution banning SSM See: Croatian constitutional referendum, 2013 - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:36, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Croatia should be hatched red AND blue; this should also be the case for Hungary, which also has a constitutional ban. The government there is quite hostile regarding LGBT rights and blue alone gives a VERY false impression of the situation in that country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.153.93 (talk) 10:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree. If someone knows how to do stripes on the SVG map, please do so for Croatia and Hungary. This map is made with Inkscape, whereas the US map is easily editable manually. SPQRobin (talk) 16:12, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

It's not difficult to do in a plain text editor; inside the existing <defs>...</defs> element, add the following code:

<pattern id="stripes_rb" patternUnits="userSpaceOnUse" width="8" height="8" patternTransform="rotate(-45)">
  <rect x="0" y="0" width="8" height="8" fill="#D40000" stroke="none" />
  <rect x="0" y="2" width="8" height="4" fill="#0066FF" stroke="none" />
</pattern>
<pattern id="stripes_rlb" patternUnits="userSpaceOnUse" width="8" height="8" patternTransform="rotate(-45)">
  <rect x="0" y="0" width="8" height="8" fill="#D40000" stroke="none" />
  <rect x="0" y="2" width="8" height="4" fill="#80B3FF" stroke="none" />
</pattern>

then in the <path id="hr" /> element, change fill="#80B3FF" to fill="url(#stripes_rlb)"; similarly, in the <path id="hu" /> element, change fill="#0066FF" to fill="url(#stripes_rb)". Before doing that, I just need the precise shades to use instead of the "red" and "blue" in my example. Alternatively, you could say something like "red stripes to be the same colour as Poland; blue to be same as France" and I can work it out. I also need to know if the stripes are too narrow. You can see what the effect will be - for those two countries alone - at commons:File:Test.svg but bear in mind that it might be overwritten at any time. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:19, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Permalink to that version of the test in SVG format and PNG format. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Looks good, but Croatia recognizes same-sex unregistered cohabitations only. There is no civil unions law yet. Ron 1987 (talk) 18:42, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Not "blue to be same as France". That blue is for same-sex marriage. For Hungary, blue should be same as Germany; for Croatia, lighter blue (until pending Civil Unions bill is passed). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.153.93 (talk) 19:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, so we've established the blue colour for Hungary,   (instead of  ) - I've uploaded an amended version to commons:File:Test.svg, but what precisely do you mean by "lighter blue"? Is this also the Germany colour, or the current Croatia colour  ? Also, should the red be same as Poland   - it's presently  . --Redrose64 (talk) 20:25, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Permalink to that version of the test in SVG format and PNG format. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Blue same as current Croatia blue; red same as Poland and all other East Europe countries with constitutional bans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.153.93 (talk) 21:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC) --176.63.153.93 (talk) 21:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've amended the code above - and simplified it after I found a couple of tricks that I was previously unaware of. Re-uploaded to commons:File:Test.svg. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:26, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Permalink to that version of the test in SVG format and PNG format. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Looks good to go :)--176.63.153.93 (talk) 21:56, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Ron 1987 (talk) 22:10, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

OK, I've re-uploaded File:Same sex marriage map Europe detailed.svg itself. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:42, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Looks same as before?--176.63.153.93 (talk) 08:01, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

It's definitely striped. Try clearing your cache. CMD (talk) 09:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

You're right. Great Job.--176.63.153.93 (talk) 10:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

For those late to the party, commons:File:Test.svg was overwritten. I've added permalinks to the various versions; the SVG files are viewable directly in Chrome, Firefox, IE10, Opera, Safari. For browsers which can't handle SVG (such as IE9 or earlier), there are PNG permalinks too. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:19, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Poland - there is no constitutional ban

There is NO constitutional ban in Poland. There is a Family Law paragraph defining a marriage as a man and a woman and this is it. The constitution does not mention same sex relationships at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.128.236.143 (talk) 03:06, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Constitutional vs. Statutory Bans

The point about Poland (above) is a good one. In the equivalent map of the United States, there are three degrees of red. light red = statutory ban; middle red = constitutional ban; dark red = constitutional ban on all same-sex unions. I'm not sure about the situation in Poland but in Estonia "On July 1, 2010, a new family law was passed, defining marriage as between a man and a woman and declaring unions between members of the same sex "null and void"." Surely, the color grey for Estonia gives a totally false impression? Wouldn't light red be appropriate? By contrast, the current middle red is accurate for Latvia, which in 2005 enacted a constitutional as opposed to merely statutory ban. MY POINT: the map distinguishes blues; what not distinguish reds? As it is, the map falsifies the current situation in Estonia and (possibly) Poland. If agreed, can someone please color Estonia (and Poland?) light red and indicate the new color in the legend? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.153.93 (talk) 12:04, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

By the way, I've seen now that Article 18 of the Polish constitution defines mariage as a union between a man and a woman, so the current color is accurate. From what I have read, only Estonia is currently inaccurate. Again, I suggest light red :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.153.93 (talk) 12:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Now, I read that family codes in Bosnia-Herzegovina and Macedonia define marriage as being between a man and woman so, in addition to Estonia, these countries also qualify for light red. The importance of distinguishing light from middle red is clear in the case of Macedonia: whereas the law defines marriage as "a union between a man and a woman", "In September 2013, a proposed constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between a man and a woman failed to meet the required two thirds majority in the Macedonian Assembly". So, as is already the case with the map of the United States, a distinction between reds more accurately reflects the current situation.

MY PROPOSAL: New color - light red (cf. map of USA) - for Bosnia-Herzegovina, Estonia, and Macedonia (currently). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.63.153.93 (talk) 12:49, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

The problem here is that the US has a well-understood distinction between "constitution" and "statute", and that distinction is basically the same for the federal government and all fifty states; but my understanding is that it's a bit fuzzier in some other parts of the world (including many European countries). So drawing a distinction between "by constitution" and "by statute" makes less sense on this map than it does in the US-by-state map. (And I'm not sure it's really all 'that' helpful even there.) /blahedo (t) 22:10, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, but the map as is gives a false impression. It looks as if Estonia - for example - is neutral on the issue of same-sex marriage; that it's neither for nor against; that it doesn't discriminate at all; that it just needs to 'catch up'. The fact is that Estonia explicitly excluded same-sex couples in their statutory definition of marriage in 2010; the country DOES actively discriminate against same-sex couples. This is not reflected in the map as is. The same is the case for Bosnia-Herzegovina and Macedonia.176.63.153.93 (talk) 07:52, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Constitutional definition of a marriage vers. Family law definition of a marriage

Countries that have a Constitutional definition of a marriage as a union between a man and a woman are marked red, but I don't understand why other countries that define marriage in the same way through Family law are not marked red as well? What's the difference? Constitution as well as the Family law is subject to change. Doesn't make any sense. Every country that doesn't recognize same-sex marriage defines it as a union between a man and a woman, otherwise same-sex marriage would be possible. Italy is not marked red, Finald is not marked red, but Central and Eastern European countries are??? What's the logic in that? 11Raccoon1 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Problem with the map

Why when I load the svg file to Inkscape can't I see Faroe Islands, Jersey, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Gibraltar spots on the map ? And I see a blue spot to the north of Spain. Thereby I can't do any changes in the map... — Preceding unsigned comment added by RaVski (talk • contribs) 21:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

You're probably looking at the one odd version in the list. Make sure you're using the correct file. CMD (talk) 21:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

And please don't edit it in Inkscape (or any other graphics software). There are certain features that Inkscape doesn't understand, and it will break them. Use a plain text editor to edit, and a web browser to check your edits. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:30, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Foreign marriage recognition.

Should there be a new colour for countries that recognise foreign marriage? For example Malta will soon recognise marriage abroad as marriages in Malta and the same may be the case for San Marino. Surely a new colour will the best way to represent this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.33.105 (talk) 15:32, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Footnotes

Shouldn't jurisdictions with laws not yet in effect have a footnote? --Prcc27 (talk) 22:00, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean? Another colour? CMD (talk) 22:07, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Change in Croatia

The Croatian Parliament has today passed the law legalizing registered partnerships. The map should be changed accordingly, i.e. Croatia should now be coloured the same as Hungary (dark-blue and red stripes).

Sources:

• http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/sabor-usvojio-zakon-o-zivotnom-partnerstvu-osoba-istog-spola-950588
• http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/od-kolovoza-u-hrvatskoj--istospolna-vjencanja/760147.aspx

--Francis Christian (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

The convention is to wait until the law has been signed. I'm not familiar with the Croatian legislative process but I assume the President needs to sign it into law. SPQRobin (talk) 13:51, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

According to the Croatian President's constitutional powers (as stated on his official website), he merely 'promulgates' the law. Some news outlets are saying that, according to their sources, the law will come in effect on September 1, 2014. --Francis Christian (talk) 15:01, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Promulgation is an executive act, so I guess it's fine to update it already. I'll do so in the map. SPQRobin (talk) 16:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Macedonia

Macedonia passed constitutional ban. http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/07/16/macedonia-parliament-approves-constitutional-same-sex-marriage-ban/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.98.137.221 (talk) 22:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Not yet. See [10], [11], [12]. Ron 1987 (talk) 22:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Can someone PLEASE update the map to reflect Macedonia's passing of the constitutional ban? It's been months ago already.2A02:AB88:6307:6D80:828:6F13:3366:80C2 (talk) 14:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Estonia

Estonia has approved Civil partnerships--131.251.253.52 (talk) 12:04, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Map Template

The current map template used for this map is inaccurate as this kind of template is only used for maps depicting the European Union. Europe is much larger than what is shown on this map. This map cuts off most of European Russia as well as the Caucasus states which are either partially located on Europe or associated with the continent therefore should be included. The original template has been updated, it is now more accurate and includes partially-recognized states which is very appropriate as they have different laws. --Leftcry (talk) 00:56, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Scotland border

I know this sounds pedantic but why is there a border between England and Scotland if they are the same country and both have laws enacting gay marriage? Bezuidenhout (talk) 18:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Because the legal systems and laws are different. The Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 applies to the whole UK, but permits SSM only in England and Wales; it also provides for SSMs conducted outside Scotland and Northern Ireland to be treated as civil partnership in those two countries. The Marriage and Civil Partnership (Scotland) Act 2014 applies only to Scotland, and a number of its provisions differ from the 2013 Act. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Poland - what does "unregistered cohabitation" mean?

I assume "unregistered cohabitation" means that LGBT people can freely live together but there's no legal form provided by the law for their relationship. If that's so, then why no country on this map is marked as "unregistered cohabitation"? Polish constitution defines marriage as relationship of people of a man and a woman, but that certainly doesn't mean that homosexual relationships are illegal, and "unregistered cohabitation" exists without any restrictions. This whole thing seems a bit incoherent, as what these different colours represent isn't contradictory to each other. Especially "unrecognized" and "unregistered cohabitation" seem to mean pretty much the same thing, and "constitution limits marriage to opposite-sex couples" can be accurate as well for the same country. W.J.M. (talk) 16:26, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

You assume wrongly. "Unregistered cohabitation" means that the state recognises a relationship between two people without their needing to register it in some way. For example, the law might state that a couple who live together for a certain length of time are considered to be cohabiting and therefore the individual cohabitants are entitled to certain protections during the relationship and after it ends. This is different from "registered cohabitation" where the couple need to register the fact that they are cohabiting formally. Neither form of cohabitation is recognised in Poland as same-sex couples are unable to register their relationships (registered cohabitation) and nor does the state regard same-sex couples as cohabiting however long they have lived together (which would be unregistered cohabitation). Instead, same-sex couples are simply unrecognised, so the two concepts are not the same thing. I hope this helps.

Chid12 (talk) 23:31, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Rivers and lakes

Could someone fix a map and remove rivers and lakes? Ron 1987 (talk) 06:40, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

All right

I am no legal student—and I am certainly not a casuist—but is it so difficult to recognize that constitutional articles such as "Men and women of marriageable age have the right to marry and found a family according to their free will" do not qualify as constitutional bans on same-sex marriage? Does the phrase "All men are created equal" interdict the government of a given country from passing laws asserting the equality of men and women? No. Similarly, the former article does not preclude the parliament of Armenia from passing a same-sex marriage law (even though this will not happen in the near future). Belarus, Armenia, and Azerbaijan have all been inappropriately classified under the current flawed logic. Please change them to gray. 207.136.250.156 (talk) 02:39, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Slovenia

Slovenia recognised same-sex marriages now--86.3.200.81 (talk) 15:16, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

You are correct, however, I don't want to change the map and create an edit war over the President's signature. On the same-sex union legislation page, it states that the President merely promulgates the laws of parliament, but can't veto or keep them from becoming law. I am not sure if this is necessarily true, but I will be taking a look at the Slovenian Constitution about it. Regardless, what I did gather from it was that the President must sign laws no more than eight days after they are passed by parliament. It has been well over that number which leads me to wonder if it is eight days after the national assembly votes on it and the national council does not veto it; or if it is eight days after the national council votes on the law itself. Clarification would be great, a source would be even better. Chase1493 (talk) 22:10, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Macedonia

Can someone please update the map? Macedonia voted a constitutional ban (Amendment XXXIII) already months ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB88:6307:6D80:1140:66D4:55A5:225F (talk) 12:43, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I was wondering the same thing, but I can't find a source about the last readings from anywhere. Could you provide one? I would be happy to change the map but I won't be doing so until I have one, as I also need it for the final vote tally on the same-sex union legislation page. Chase1493 (talk) 22:05, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Malta

I know this may seem like a bit of a technicality, but I have a source that says marriages entered abroad are treated as marriages. Would this warrant a change in any way? While it seems odd that the republic would offer civil unions for its citizens and not marriage, I think the fact that they will recognize same-sex marriages from any jurisdiction as a marriage in their country warrants changing the color. Perhaps we could take the bright teal color from the world map and use it on the European one? Let me know your thoughts.

Here is the source: http://www.kaleidoscot.com/malta-2704. It is quite recent as well. Chase1493 (talk) 22:01, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Poland needs red-gray stripes, rather than red

Article 18 of the Constitution can be interpreted as a ban (due to its vagueness), but the lawyers question this interpretation, for the same reason.--82.132.234.192 (talk) 03:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

References

Croatia & Hungary

How did Croatia and Hungary become solid blue? Did something go wrong when the map was altered for Ireland? Croatia and Hungary both enacted very explicit constitutional bans on same-sex marriage. Can someone please stripe them red/blue, as they were until now?2A02:AB88:6307:6D80:C411:C237:2B55:E504 (talk) 07:08, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Somebody did remove the striping; I've restored it now. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:18, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Israel

I've noticed there is part of Israel on this map. I think it should be coloured cyan. --Simon 015 (talk) 17:48, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Belarus

Belarus should be red on the map, because it has a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. The Constitution of Belarus says, in Article 32, that "On reaching the age of consent a woman and a man shall have the right to enter into marriage on a voluntary basis and found a family.", which is how almost all same-sex marriage bans are worded. Can someone please change this accordingly, as I am not able to do this myself. Sdino (talk) 15:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Slovenia

Should Slovenia not be dark blue now? According to other related articles it is listed as one of the countries with equal marriage. It hasn't taken effect yet but, as with Ireland and Finland, it should be dark blue.--XANIA - ЗAНИA^{Wikipedia talk | Wikibooks talk} 13:40, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

The Stripes

As it currently stands, Croatia and Hungary are striped to indicate their constitutional bans on marriage, while simultaneously showing that they allow a similar relationship scheme. My question would be: is striping really necessary? Hear me out here. Both of these countries have taken steps to create a mechanism for recognition. My qualm is that on certain monitors, particularly those with a higher brightness or contrast, these countries look more akin to purple than they do as a striped pattern. Similarly, we do not stripe the countries that have opened marriage to same-sex couples, but retain their similar schemes (i.e. France, the U.K., etc.). The ban is there yes, but there are rights afforded to same-sex couples and down the road, those bans could be repealed. Will it be more difficult, yes. Does that mean we have to have a sloppy looking pattern to show this, I don't really think so. Can we just do away with the stripes and leave these two countries as a solid color? I guess I'm just anal about this, but if we really feel the need to do that, we might as well another shade of pink to show every country that has a statutory ban on marriage/similar relationship scheme as well; that would look horrible, but it would be more consistent. Just a thought. I'll put this on the other talk page too. Chase1493 (talk) 02:02, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

I think the striping should remain, to give the complete information on these countries' status. Existing constitutional bans might be extended to all relationships as well as repealed. And every European country that does not allow SSM has a (possibly implicit) statutory ban on it AFAIK, so there's no need for an extra colour there. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 19:21, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Statutory ban on same-sex marriage

I propose adding the information on this map File:Bans on same-sex unions by country.svg and colouring Italy, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Russia in a similar light red colour. There is not reason why the information about a constitutional ban is present while the information about a statutory ban is not. If no one objects, I can add these changes. --Turnless (talk) 06:14, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Your edit makes no sense to me. All countries without same-sex marriage could be classified as having a statutory ban (if there is no constitutional ban). Marking Russia, Italy and BiH only is senseless. Countries like Germany or Czech Republic should have medium blue and light read stripes. This would make the map more consistent. But I think that remowing all bans, constitutional and statutory, from the map would be better option. Ron 1987 (talk) 06:56, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

No, not all countries have a statutory ban on same-sex marriage. Some do not have any recognition towards same-sex marriage at all. There is already a map existing that shows same-sex marriage in Europe without the bans File:Same sex marriage map Europe detailed 3.svg, but for this specific map it makes little sense for me to include the constitutional bans while leaving out the statutory ban. --Turnless (talk) 16:29, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Slovenia, Albania, Romania, Estonia, Kosovo, Czech Republic, Austria, Macedonia, Andorra, Switzerland, San Marino, Georgia, Isle of Man, Jersey have statutory bans. Ron 1987 (talk) 19:42, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

As far as I know, it isn't even correct that Italy has a statutory ban: I think their marriage law doesn't mention gender. But more generally, I agree there is no reason why we should only mention constitutional bans. We should either color all bans, or none. The problem with coloring all bans however is, as shown here already, accurately looking up each and every country. Even for some countries there is disagreement over whether their constitution bans same-sex marriage, so I can imagine statutory law causing even more discussions. SPQRobin (talk) 06:15, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I disagree. We should mention what type of ban is it. Obviously, statutory bans, like one in Poland or Italy, is easier to overturn. Constitutional bans are more difficult to overturn.--143.159.145.203 (talk) 18:01, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Of course *if* both are mentioned, there should be a clear distinction (as is the case now). I think we all agree on that. Sorry if that was unclear in my comment. The question is: should both, one type or none be mentioned. SPQRobin (talk) 18:22, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I think we should ask @AHC300: what his reason was for including only Italy, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Russia. --Turnless (talk) 01:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Edits should be based on reliable sources, not the other map. Ron 1987 (talk) 01:19, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

That user takes care of most LGBT maps, so he would usually have correct information. If not, we will figure out a way to either show them otherwise or not show them at all. --Turnless (talk) 02:41, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

This is a risky procedure. The treatment of marriage in general, and same sex marriage particularly varies by country. I can imagine to add the constitutional part as that is clear-cut, and the point is clear: it is not easily overturn able (and we have been doing that for some time). Any other distinctions are also a matter of how to group different legal structures, and thus much open to discussion. That can be done in the individual country articles of course, but let's not add that to the map, especially since it is used on a template where it is also opposed... L.tak (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I will revert my change for now as it is pretty unclear to what the solution to adding this ban is. If any further discussion occurs, changes can be once again made accordingly. --Turnless (talk) 02:22, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi. I agree with reverting. A while back, I suggested pale red for statutory bans too but I can see now how it would just overcomplicate the map; however, I would like to suggest making Russia pale red. Why? The title of the map (at least on LGBT rights in Europe page) is "Laws regarding same-sex partnerships in Europe". Doesn't Russia's anti-LGBT "propaganda" law specifically prohibit the "promotion" of "non-traditional", i.e. same-sex, partnerships? The globe map of LGBT rights includes a color for this. I think it should be marked here also. Thanks. 213.233.149.29 (talk) 06:30, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Crimea is part of Ukraine

Contrary to this map, Crimea isn't Russian'region, but an oblast of Ukraine. It should be in red. Nikola62 (talk) 09:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Crimea de iure is part of Ukraine, but is de facto part of Russia, and apply the laws of Russia. Similar cases are Kosovo and Transnistria--201.219.180.111 (talk) 01:04, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Isle of Man

Isle of Man approved same-sex marriage: twenty-nine (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2016 (UTC) http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-36141145

After royal assent, the color will be changed. Chase1493 (talk) 00:32, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Faroe Islands

Faroe Islands approved same sex marriage: http://portal.fo/samtykt.html twenty-nine (talk) 18:16, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

While we're at it, can someone put Ceuta and Melilla (Spanish enclaves in Africa) as visible dots like Faroes and other microstates? They're completely invisible as is. Thanks.213.233.149.20 (talk) 06:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Ceuta and Melilla do not, to my knowledge, set their own laws regarding marriages, as opposed to the Faroes. CMD (talk) 10:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Colour for laws not yet in force

I noticed that a user tried to add a new colour like the one on File:World marriage-equality laws.svg not too long ago. A user later reverted those edits for the reasons of existing footnotes and the map being supposedly more referenced by File:World laws pertaining to homosexual relationships and expression.svg. First of all, the user who uploaded the new version was right when they said that footnotes are not always read. Most people won't pay attention to footnotes and right away assume that the laws are already in effect when they see the map. Also, it seems pretty odd that this map would be more referenced by the homosexuality laws map when it shows only same-sex marriage laws just like the marriage equality map. This map targets only same-sex marriage laws in Europe so if those laws are not yet in effect, it makes more sense to show that. I think that it's pretty misleading to show Finland as a country that legalizes same-sex marriage even though it won't be a country like that for nearly another year. --Turnless (talk) 05:56, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Italy

Italy passed a bill on May 11, 2016 recognizing same-sex civil unions, the map should be updated.--DarTar (talk) 02:34, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Not yet, the bill awaits President's signature. Ron 1987 (talk) 03:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

And I have yet to see a clear source saying that the bill actually passed already; what did happen is that the Renzi government survived a vote of confidence that was politically tied to the bill. SPQRobin (talk) 06:14, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

See [13]. Ron 1987 (talk) 06:40, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Ah, actual facts instead of vague, celebratory news articles. Thanks! SPQRobin (talk) 07:23, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Russian republics constitutional ban on same-sex marriage

Ron 1987, Chase1493, Fry1989, SPQRobin and anyone else who would like to comment. All Russian republics, on the basis of their autonomy, have their own constitution. The republics of Dagestan and Tatarstan both have constitutional bans on same-sex marriage written in their constitution. For Dagestan - Chapter 2 Article 52 "Marriage is based on the free consent of a man and a woman, spouses have equal rights in family relations." [14] (unfortunately I was unable to find an English source). For Tatarstan - Chapter 3 Article 38 #2 "Marriage shall be based on the free consent of woman and man; spouses shall enjoy equal rights and duties in their family relations." [15]. Should these two regions be coloured red on the map? --Turnless (talk) 04:55, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I am uncertain. If we were to follow the US model, then yes they should be shown. Fry1989 ^eh? 16:27, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Given we separate out UK subdivisions, there is precedent for adding subdivision-specific info if it is relevant. CMD (talk) 16:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Alphathon, since you were the one who created the template map that this map uses, can you help with adding those two regions to the map? --Turnless (talk) 23:59, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I would have to agree, the precedent is there to have these added. We did it for the U.S. and as someone mentioned, the U.K. as well. Russia (and any other federation or devolved unitary state) should have the same treatment for consistency. Alternatively, I would be open to scaling back subnational jurisdictions on the map and having them covered more in depth on the main page for the country in question. We could have it be similar to the Mexico page. I'm fine with either. Chase1493 (talk) 03:43, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it is necessary to add all of Russia's federal subjects to the map as the only subjects with a constitution are the 22 republics and their constitution does not get changed very often. Dagestan and Tatarstan are most probably going to remain the only two subjects to have a constitutional ban on the issue. The only reason that would change would be if Russia amended its federal constitution to ban same-sex marriage on a national level. --Turnless (talk) 19:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I certainly could add the Russian subdivisions. The only issue I foresee is finding a map of them using the correct projection to work from (or accurately converting one in a different projection).

By the way, I agree that if the countries of the UK are shown separately (which is a necessity since it isn't done on a UK level) then relevant Russian subjects should be shown too. Also, I notice that there is no border shown between England and Scotland; should I add that too (since Scotland is a separate legal jurisdiction to England and Wales and in fact recognises it slightly differently), perhaps using a dashed border?

Alphathon /'æɫ.fə.θɒn/ ^(talk) 02:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's necessary to have a border between Scotland and England as the situation there will most likely never change again as both of the regions have already have already legalized same-sex marriage. --Turnless (talk) 19:38, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I can see the value of a dashed line to indicate that it is legal due to two different sets of laws, which is what the other borders signify as well. CMD (talk) 20:04, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

However, a dashed line may also be confused with disputed borders that are used for Kosovo, Abkhazia, and other partially recognized states. --Turnless (talk) 23:07, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Israel

It can be discussed whether or not Greenland or Cyprus are part of Europe, although they have strong political and cultural ties with continental Europe. However, Israel is definitely not part of Europe.

It should be decolored, or either, all the rest of the countries that also appear in the map should also be colored.DaddyCell (talk) 14:36, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Slovenia

Slovenia should have the same color as Hungary and Croatia.Leftwinguy92 (talk) 11:27, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Update-Greece

Should be updated, Greece regognises foreign same-sex marriages for domestic purposes. --46.103.236.115 (talk) 11:24, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

That's true for all countries. — kwami (talk) 01:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Ukraine, Balarus, Moldova, Armenia

In the Russian parent law traditionally the definition of marriage is not described. Ukraine, Balarus, Moldova, Armenia have no concept of marriage in their constitutions. Armenia does not recognize foreign marriages. Please correct --Терпр (talk) 14:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

@Терпр: Evidence? — kwami (talk) 01:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

domestic vs external minimal rights?

Should we distinguish countries like Poland and maybe Slovakia, who accord domestic couples minimal rights (cohabitation etc.) from countries like Lithuania and Romania that only grant residency to foreign spouses under EU law, and we do on the world SSM map? Kwamikagami (talk) 01:05, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Andorra will legalize marriage

It's official, the law will be effective on the 1st of June. I can't put the new picture with Andorra in dark blue. Can someone else do that? --24.200.142.118 (talk) 06:15, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Best to wait until June to update the image so it is current, not predictive. CMD (talk) 06:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Crimea is still a part of Ukraine

Crimea should be labeled as Ukraine, not Russia without de iure/de facto. Please correct 178.151.8.46 (talk) 14:12, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Poland

I have tried fixing the orientation on the stripes on Poland like 20 times and the upload wizard is swear to God out for me I am so angry right now it keeps sending me back to the upload form every single time I submit a new version can somebody please just fix this ImStevan (talk) 19:00, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Latvia

Civil unions were introduced by the Constitutional court of Latvia in 2022, so the color should be changed. It's even written on this Wikipedia page: Recognition of same-sex unions in Europe but is not reflected on the map. 62.166.171.159 (talk) 22:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)