File:Tim Marshall photograph of the 2023 Matador, Texas tornado.jpg

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File:The August 6, 2023 EF2 tornado south of Edinburg, Illinois.jpg: Photographer still owns the copyright. Stopped responding September 12 when asked about releasing it. VRT ticket:2024102810003738
File:A tornado on April 16, 2024.jpg: Photographer still owns the copyright. Stopped responding September 12 when asked about releasing it. VRT ticket:2024102810003756
File:The Gary, Indiana tornado on February 27, 2024.jpg: Photographer and this image easily findable on X; in the thread that follows, they grant permission to multiple media agencies to use, but they eventually stop responding. In my records, I noted that I had also messaged this creator, but I cannot find where I did that, so this might be an error. Anyway, I have messaged them on October 28 and will update this entry if they reply. VRT ticket:2024102810004308
File:Tim Marshall photograph of the 2023 Matador, Texas tornado.jpg: I was in correspondence with Tim Marshall about two other images hosted on the Commons, and he seemed open to the idea of open licensing, but stopped responding on October 2, as soon as I showed him the release form. VRT ticket:2024100110011645

All these images were taken in the US after 1989, and therefore automatically protected by copyright at the instant of their creation unless ineligible for some reason. Unless anybody can provide any evidence of ineligibility for copyright, or permission from the respective copyright owners, we must delete all the files listed in this request per COM:PRP because as far as we can tell, they all are protected by copyright. --Rlandmann (talk) 10:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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These images were all sourced from webpages of the US National Weather Service but are the work of third-party photographers. However, we have no evidence that any of these images are in the public domain or available under a free license.

For many years, hosting such images on the Commons was done in good faith under the rationale that:

public submissions to the NWS all entered the public domain and/or
all files hosted on NWS websites were in the public domain unless they carried a formal copyright notice

An extensive review of this rationale in 2024 revealed that neither of these beliefs held up to scrutiny. These findings were confirmed in an RfC conducted from August to October 2024.

Per COM:ONUS it is the responsibility of the person uploading an image to the Commons or anyone arguing for its retention here to provide evidence of permission from the copyright holder. For anyone interested in seeking the permission of the creators to retain these files, I offer, as a head start, the following notes left over from when I investigated them:

File:The August 6, 2023 EF2 tornado south of Edinburg, Illinois.jpg: Photographer still owns the copyright. Stopped responding September 12 when asked about releasing it. VRT ticket:2024102810003738
File:A tornado on April 16, 2024.jpg: Photographer still owns the copyright. Stopped responding September 12 when asked about releasing it. VRT ticket:2024102810003756
File:The Gary, Indiana tornado on February 27, 2024.jpg: Photographer and this image easily findable on X; in the thread that follows, they grant permission to multiple media agencies to use, but they eventually stop responding. In my records, I noted that I had also messaged this creator, but I cannot find where I did that, so this might be an error. Anyway, I have messaged them on October 28 and will update this entry if they reply. VRT ticket:2024102810004308
File:Tim Marshall photograph of the 2023 Matador, Texas tornado.jpg: I was in correspondence with Tim Marshall about two other images hosted on the Commons, and he seemed open to the idea of open licensing, but stopped responding on October 2, as soon as I showed him the release form. VRT ticket:2024100110011645

All these images were taken in the US after 1989, and therefore automatically protected by copyright at the instant of their creation unless ineligible for some reason. Unless anybody can provide any evidence of ineligibility for copyright, or permission from the respective copyright owners, we must delete all the files listed in this request per COM:PRP because as far as we can tell, they all are protected by copyright. --Rlandmann (talk) 10:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)}} ~~~~

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Description	English: The June 21, 2023 Matador, Texas, EF3 tornado photographed by Tim Marshall.
Date	21 June 2023
Source	https://www.weather.gov/lub/events-2023-20230621-Matador-Tornado (Exact URL)
Author	Tim Marshall

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	Date/Time	Thumbnail	Dimensions	User	Comment
current	05:44, 8 July 2023		2,071 × 1,500 (1.09 MB)	WeatherWriter	Uploaded a work by Tim Marshall from https://www.weather.gov/lub/events-2023-20230621-Matador-Tornado ([https://www.weather.gov/images/lub/events/2023/20230621-tornado/tim-marshall-facebook-757pm-2mi-east-matador-looking-northwest.jpg Exact URL]) with UploadWizard

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Tornado outbreak sequence of June 20–26, 2023

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File:Tim Marshall photograph of the 2023 Matador, Texas tornado.jpg

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