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Wake Up Dead Man is currently a redirect to Pop (U2 album). Since the song is not notable for a standalone article, the film will be the primary topic once filming commences and this article is moved to the mainspace, where it will usurp the existing redirect. A hatnote can link to the less notable U2 song. Unlike Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery, since there is no need for further disambiguation, film article titles tend to drop "branding" subtitles per WP:CONCISE, e.g. Rogue One and Hobbs & Shaw. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense to me. Once this is in the mainspace, the U2 song would be moved to Wake Up Dead Man (song) anyway. I will note that I don't think a DAB page would be needed by then unless anything becomes complicated like with Glass onion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be correct, per WP:ONEOTHER. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rusted AutoParts: I noticed you moved this draft to have the longer branding title, which I have reverted. Please take a look at this discussion in regards to the title of the draft and why it will be without the subtitle when in the mainspace. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather the articles maintain consistency since Glass Onion has the A Knives Out Story subtitle, but I'm not going to push it. Rusted AutoParts 01:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with keeping it at Wake Up Dead Man since there's no other standalone article of this title. Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery is where it is because glass onion is a thing, and there is a Glass Onion (song). (No idea if people would have wanted Glass Onion (film) -- the subtitle is more natural but also longer.) Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 11:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd argue that either both article titles should have the subtitle or neither should have it. Either way seems reasonable enough to me, but having only one article have the subtitle and not the other seems like it's inherently causing an undue weight issue one way or the other - either the article title that has the subtitle is giving the subtitle too much weight or the article title that doesn't have the subtitle isn't giving the subtitle enough weight. If there's no meaningful difference in how sources are discussing them, and it's feasible to resolve the situation in a more neutral way - either by having the subtitle in both titles or by changing Glass Onion's listing to Glass Onion (film) to match the current lack of a subtitle in this article's title - then there probably shouldn't be a difference in how they're listed here, either. Alphius (talk) 10:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undue weight isn't a factor; WP:CONCISE and WP:NATURAL are. Compare this to Rogue One vs. Solo: A Star Wars Story. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]