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Why do only I have to follow the guidelines of WP:GSAA

I was blocked from editing Wikipedia for 2 days, forbidden from discussing the deletion of an article I wrote, got multiple warnings and gopt threatened with my account being blocked because "I broke WS:GSAA" when I just added a flag into an article and edited on an article that is not mentioned as WS:GSAA. However, others can freely and for a long time edit on the topic with even less edits than me with zero consequences whatsoever. Also, the only people that are against the articles I wrote are Armenians using the "government propaganda" argument for anything. Also, why are only Azerbaijanis being met with restrictions and consquences hwen violating, but I never saw any Armenian getting the same treatment? See Wikipedia:WikiProject Discrimination ~~ Viceskeeni2 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

It’s plainly inaccurate to say that you are the only one being affected by these restrictions; you can see a full list of affected pages and accounts at WP:GS/AA itself and WP:AELOG. Infractions are addressed as they are reported. signed, Rosguill talk 15:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
User AlenVaneci is editing on the topic multiple times although he doesn't even have 1/5 of the needed edits to edit on that topics Viceskeeni2 (talk) 22:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
I've issued them a final warning, as I find the prior warnings issued to be somewhat lacking: ({{alert/first}} was not correctly invoked, the a-a code needs to be added to the first parameter in order to display the relevant text, and the following warning from Nemoralis was excessively confrontational. signed, Rosguill talk 18:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
Sorry for bothering you Rosguill, but it seems that Viceskeeni2 is now trying to bypass the WP:GS/AA through proxy editing / WP:CANVASSING [1]. Perhaps one ought to ask Viceskeeni2 who this "Armenian user" that "spread misinformation" is. The accusation is likely directed at @KhndzorUtogh:, who is quite popular on Reddit right now (welcome to the club) if you search their name. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
I am not trying to bypass it,I thought it was allowed to ask others to edit because I saw someone else do it before. Right after I was told that that's Canvassing I immediately apologized and promised that I'll refrain from it, which I did and do. Again: I'm sorry for doing it because I didn:t clearly know it's unpermissible. After getting my warning, I immediately stopped. Viceskeeni2 (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Oh, you're right [2] - my bad. Anyways, may I ask who this Armenian user is? HistoryofIran (talk) 00:14, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Like you already said, it was KhndzorUtogh. I edited on my IP because I thought those accounts didn't have the restriction and those special edits were a dorn in my eye. However, after finding out that it's restricted (I took some time to process it because I thought y'all meant I should stop revisioning the edits an account that violated the restriction made), I (again) stopped editing and brought the topic to the talk pages of each article because I was told so. And also, the edits were indeed agenda-pushing, nationalistic and false reports with sources being taken out of context, victims and attackers literally being swapped in one event, edits with sources where the source mentioned NOTHING mentioned in the edit and calling Monte Melkonian a revolutionary hero on an article that's supposed to be neutral (you can call him hero on the Armenian page idc). Viceskeeni2 (talk) 00:27, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
Damn, I should become a detective instead of a physiotherapist! I also found your still blocked IP (2 weeks for using Wikipedia as a battleground), mentioning the exact same about Melkonian [3]. In other words, you're not only violating WP:ASPERSIONS / WP:NPA against KhndzorUtogh (not the first time, I can see you have done it at least once before [4]), but also evading your block (WP:BLOCKEVASION). HistoryofIran (talk) 00:33, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
How am I evading my block? The block said that I can't use that IP on anonymous edits, this ain't an anonymous edit. Evading my block would be if I log onto another account when my different account is blocked, my account isn't blocked and I don't have any other blocked account. Also I didn't violate it because I provided proof and reasons for it multiple times. Also, when an Armenian made the same attacks against me suddenly it wasn't a problem, but now when it's the other way around it is? I thought discrimination wasn't allowed on Wikipedia? And why is it a problem when I mention the Melkonian-topic. Why is it allowed to depict him as a hero on English Wikipedia? Anyone can be depicted as a hero then. Viceskeeni2 (talk) 00:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)
It's literally mentioned in the second sentence "User accounts or IP addresses used to evade a block should also be blocked." Your IP got blocked, then you resumed editing on your account. And please drop the discrimination card (this is the second time you're using it in this thread), the users here couldn't care less whether you're Azeri or Kryptonian. The fact that you're trying to justify the stuff that got your IP blocked says more than enough. HistoryofIran (talk) 01:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, you made some early edits to this page so I wanted to notify you. Thank you for your work. ~~~ Agnieszka653 (talk) 20:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Agnieszka653, I did not create this article and am not sure why you are notifying me. signed, Rosguill talk 21:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Tinio Brigade

Hi Rosguill, I need your help regarding this article. It was created a couple of months ago but had no sources, so I draftified it with the script, which tagged the redirect for speedy deletion automatically. The user who originally created it removed the deletion tags and created the article again instead of waiting for the draft to be moved to mainspace. Now if I go to my articles created list, it shows up under my name when it's not supposed to. Since I haven't created it, I want it to be removed, but I don't know how to do it because I'm afraid if I tag it for deletion, it'll still show up under my name but in the deletion section. Can you please help me with that? Thanks! Waqar💬 16:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Iwaqarhashmi, I've gone ahead and restored the article to mainspace, as its bibliography was decent, in particular [5]. This makes the page history of the cut and paste split moot. The page really should not have been draftified in the first place and I'm puzzled as to why you decided to take that action. signed, Rosguill talk 17:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
I agree. There was a misunderstanding in the initial assessment and draftifying the article was an oversight. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and thank you so much for helping me out by restoring it to mainspace. Waqar💬 17:38, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hello, hope you are doing well. Could you please restore my autopatrolled user rights? Regards TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 07:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't see a reason for doing this: 4/5 of your most recent articles have been deleted at AfD, and the most recent one was approved but tagged for several issues. In general, you've hardly edited since the permissions were removed, and I'm not seeing any acknowledgement of the past UPE concerns. signed, Rosguill talk 22:53, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Voisava Kastrioti

I've addressed the initial request to keep an eye on Voisava Kastrioti, which was appropriate. The thread has since devolved into rather flimsy accusations against specific editors that have left no one looking particularly great. As a reminder, I generally do not impose sanctions as a result of disruptive editing complaints brought to my talk page unless the issues are in the realm of obvious vandalism and other bright red-line violations. For anything more in the weeds than that, please bring your case to AE or ANI in order to allow for a more thorough examination of evidence. signed, Rosguill talk 12:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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Since you are an admin involved in AE stuff, I would like to raise my concern about the frequent edit warring on Voisava Kastrioti. The article is freuqently a subject of edit warring, ususally involving multiple editors. Would you consider placing some revert restriction on the article, such as an AE-logged 1RR? Ktrimi991 (talk) 15:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Ktrimi991, I've added the page to my watchlist, will deliver CTOP notices to people who haven't received one. While I agree that there's been excessive reverting, given the variety of different editors involved, the age of the accounts, and that most instances are just a single undo, I'm not seeing a quick fix measure that would clearly help. signed, Rosguill talk 15:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
OK, thanks, keeping an eye on the article is great. I would also ask for your attention at that edit summary by Khirurg, to whom you have given an AE-logged warning against making accusations of nationalistic editing without evidence [6]. I don't agree with the changes made by RoyalHeritageAlbanian, but their edit is certainly not nationalistic. It concerns wording that has been a concern for multiple editors of different backgrounds. This actuallyis part of a pattern of making personal attacks in edit summaries by Khirurg, e.g. "get a life and learn to properly count reverts, stalker". In a wider context, keeping an eye on the civiliy of editors on the Voisava article might be as valuable as preventing the edit warring itself. Personal attacks unfortunately have been made by various editors before as well in disputes on Voisava. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
@Rosguill: On the subject of the disruptive edit by RoyalHeritageAlb, the evidence is the edit itself and the misleading edit-summary used. It's a pretty obvious attempt at removing undesirable information (that the mother of the Albanian national hero Skenderbeg was in fact Serbian), precisely the type of disruption that plagues the article practically non-stop. And everyone involved knows this full well, which is why no one has reverted my edit, despite all the concerns about "civility". On the subject of civility, which Ktrimi seems so concerned about, let's not forget this lol Don't worry, not everyone "hides" things. lol by Ktrimi, while he was edit-warring [7] [8]. Laughing and mocking other users in edit summaries is highly incivil, as it poisons the atmosphere and makes reaching a compromise that much harder. Rosguill, as I'm sure you are aware as well, I've lost count how many times Ktrimi or someone from the same group editors that edits the same topics from the same POV has come to your talkpage for block-fishing. I've been editing this encyclopedia for over 17 years, and as you can see I have acquired many enemies who continuously try to find a "gotcha", but while avoiding ANI or AE, where their own behavior would come under scrutiny. Khirurg (talk) 00:06, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
he was edit-warring with whom were I "edit warring"? With you. And you know full well I did not "mock" you; I just responded to your claim that my edit was "hiding" information to readers, a claim which you had done multiple times in the past as well. Anyways, I was not asking for a block above; I did mention your personal attack against RHA as the latest example of PA breaches on Voisava so Rosguill is aware that edit warring is not the only issue concerning the article. You are not the only one there in recent months to have breached the civility policy while editing or discussing Voisava. If I were to seek sanctions on you personally, I would report you at AE. Rosguill themselves have made it clear in the past that they are not willing to sanction reports posted on this tp. as you can see I have acquired many enemies It is such a pity that you think fellow editors are "enemies". We are here to build a better encyclopedia for the readers, we are not at war. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Rosguill, I don't want this to turn into a wall of text, so I will not respond again. My request for you is, if you are willing, to keep an eye on the Voisava Kastrioti article for both edit warring (be it "slow" or blatant 3RR breaches) and civility issues. The article has had enough of both, and admin attention is long overdue. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
(ec) It's pretty obvious what you came here to try and get, so let's not pretend. But yes, I do agree that the article really needs admin attention. Stuff like this [9] really needs to stop. Khirurg (talk) 00:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Not sure why you did bring that edit up. I removed content that did not concern Voisava and Barleti, and later made an edit that ended the dispute between multiple editors after suitable sources were found. Ktrimi991 (talk) 01:00, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Because it's part of the same pattern of disruption, identical in spirit as RHA's edit - removal of "undesirable" information, even though it's well sourced and long-standing. It keeps happening, there and in many other articles as well. Khirurg (talk) 01:04, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Also, for the record. a pretty obvious attempt at removing undesirable information (that the mother of the Albanian national hero Skenderbeg was in fact Serbian) RHA did not remove the theory of Serb origin; the section continued to mention the possibility of her being a member of the Brankovic family. You can disagree with the edit (as I do), but you can't call it "nationalistic POV-pushing". Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:52, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
(ec) He explicitly removed the word "Serbian", in spite of the multitude of sources in the article (and more that could be added), with a misleading edit-summary on top of that. It doesn't get worse than that, really. Khirurg (talk) 00:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
As comment within this post [10] in relation to me was mentioned, my thoughts are this. @Khirurg, a Wikipedian of 17 years continues with poor engagement with editors instead of cordial or neutral interaction. Even in this thread, Khirurg considers some editors as "enemies" [11]. Rosguill, it may explain the WP:BATTLEGROUND behavoir @Khirurg brings to editing Wikipedia and keeps reappearing time and time again. Looking at some of @Khirurg's edit history, these flare ups happen or are triggered with editors who either edit the Albanian space or Turkish space and related topical articles. It appears there is a pattern, something that has gone on for nearly two decades. Whether or not further action is needed is up to administrators. Within the General sanctions list, for the WP:BALKANS, a suggestion for this case would be an interaction ban between @RoyalHeritageAlb and @Khirurg to try and prevent this poor behavoir. Or banning both from editing the Balkans topic area completely, as as been done with other past editors. One hopes there is improvement on the part of all editors with the maturity of time, as editing in the Balkan space is complicated enough. Cheers.Resnjari (talk) 02:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
WP:HOUND, WP:ASPERSIONS. WP:BATTLEGROUND applies to editors making baseless accusations and generating drama, such as yourself here. Looking at some of @Khirurg's edit history, these flare ups happen or are triggered with editors who either edit the Albanian space or Turkish space and related topical articles. I could just easily say the same thing about you, Ktrimi991, and RoyalHeritageAlb (and many others) with regards to the Greek and Serbian topic space. When you left that invalid warning on my talkpage (I only had one revert), why didn't you do the same at Ktrimi's talkpage? When editors are civil and collaborative, I have an easy time reaching a compromise [12]. Considering how closely you follow me around and watch my talkpage, didn't you see that? The problem is always with the same group of editors, not me. You should be sanctioned for making groundless accusations and purposely misleading one-sided statements.Khirurg (talk) 03:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
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Primary sources tag for APPF

Hi @Rosguill, thanks for adding the tag on the page of the APPF. I hadn't realised that most sources were primary, that was a good point. I just added a number of third-party sources to the article in several sections. I have to say that there just isn't much around; it's just not a very news-worthy agency at this point. Would you want to check the article again and see whether it would be justified to remove the banner? Julius Schwarz (talk) 09:20, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Julius Schwarz, the new citations are an improvement, but overall the bulk of the article's text and analysis still relies predominantly on the primary sources. You may have better luck looking for coverage in scholarly publications (i.e. check Google Scholar) as academics will presumably be investigating and writing about the bodies and functions of the EU even if they haven't necessarily done anything conventionally newsworthy yet. signed, Rosguill talk 16:29, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Rosguill, thanks for the quick reply. In truth, I have already looked at academic sources and there isn't much. Just now I bookmarked a few more to go through later and possibly add if relevant. But the fact is that this agency is still rather new (set up in 2016 but really started its work in 2018) and deals with entities that already receive limited attention. So even after I add additional sources, the fact that primary sources remain the bulk of the sources will remain true for a very long time. It's not that the research is not done and the banner could incentivise users to add sources, it's just that there is a dearth of sources. Julius Schwarz (talk) 17:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Kalachuri (Rajput clan)

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Hello there,

I'd like to personally thank you for granting me the autopatrol rights on a temporary basis for the backlog drive. I learned quite a bit from this journey, but I don't believe I am ready for the permanent right yet. I want to do some more content creation to understand some of the different nuances of going through different review statuses as well as experience more article creation as a user. Plus, I had made some boneheaded mistakes like a clear copy-paste violation instead of a move. So, ultimately my time as a perm is not yet, but I shall pursue it some time in the future.

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Glad to see I'm not alone on this ...

Per your comment here: I have on several occasions in the last few months lamented the fact that, despite the increasing amount of protection and edit warring we see in articles related to it, the Maghreb is not a contentious topic area. It is getting to be as problematic as the Horn.

Had I the time and greater knowledge of where to dig up the evidence on it, I'd put together a request to ArbCom to make that designation, much as they did with Sri Lanka earlier this year (the first time a CTOP has been created outside of a case specific to that area). Daniel Case (talk) 21:56, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Daniel Case, anecdotally I feel like I've always run into more disruption around North African topics than the Horn. signed, Rosguill talk 22:32, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
That may have to do with the latter's CTOPS designation.
It's not the only area that would be under CTOPS if it were purely up to me ... Daniel Case (talk) 22:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps, although this may have been true even before then? I've edited and kept tabs on a slew of country-history and country-religion articles since before ARBHORN and feel like I've pretty consistently seen the most disruption around Egypt, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia (and the most vandalism in Latin America and Oceania). But maybe that lens doesn't capture what people fight about in East Africa topics.
At a certain point, I wonder whether we could just have a CTOP designation for national disputes in general. With only a few exceptions, they're the root problem of almost all of the most problematic CTOP areas signed, Rosguill talk 22:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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Dear Rosguill,

I am a brandnew Wikipedia editor, asking for help.

I have been a member of the International Sufi Movement (ISM), or rather one of its affiliates for 30+ years. This is an organisation founded in 1923 in Geneva, by Hazrat Inayat Khan, a sufi teacher that moved to the west.

This organisation is still very much alive. To my surprise I found that a redirect was put in, redirecting to an organisation called the Inayattya order. That is also still alive, and it split off in the 1950's or such from our movement. This is fine with me, the more the merrier, so to say.

So I set out and registered as an editor.

I feel this is an act of mischief, the entire information about the ISM has been erased from the active wikipedia. I saw that someone had deleted the redirect, claiming that the ISM and the Inayattya are different organisations, which is correct. It appears that you later reversed that delete.

Can I ask you why? I feel I am too young as a wikipedian to reverse an administrator without consult first!

But ultimately we have a strong case based on documents and facts, and I hope we can solve this without editing wars or something like that!

Best regards, Nurbaksh / Mark Veldhuis. Nurbaksh (talk) 09:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Nurbaksh, looking at the page history, it looks like a version of the article was first created in 2005 and deleted later that year following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Sufi Movement. A separate version was created in 2007 and existed until 2010, when it was converted to a redirect following the removal of copyright-infringing text and an assessment by the editor performing the edit that the page was a fork of Universal Sufism. This was changed to be a redirect to Inayati Order by a different editor in 2016. My only edit to the page has been to reverse a mistaken attempt to delete the page in 2020 by simply removing its whole content (which is not the correct process).
So, with all that in mind but without having looked at any of the sourcing in detail, my assessment is that 1) the prior versions of this article were removed through what appears to have been above board, good-faith editing, not mischief 2) nevertheless, it's been more than a decade since anyone has tried to create an article for this topic or otherwise discussed the validity of such an attempt, so any editor can feel free to convert the redirect into an actual article at this time 3) but I would first check Western Sufism (the more recent title of the Universal Sufism page) and other related Sufism articles in order to confirm that we're not accidentally creating a fork.
Since you are a member of the ISM, you have a conflict of interest with the topic, which you should disclose on your user page and on the talk page of International Sufi Movement if you decide to edit it extensively. Also per the COI guidelines I linked in the prior sentence, if you choose to create an article on this topic, you should use Wikipedia:Articles for creation to prepare and submit a draft for review. signed, Rosguill talk 13:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Need your opinion

I have, since late September, noticed an influx of IPs that are editing the same articles as blocked user:Armen888. These IPs edit solely in Armenian topics adding questionable information and [WP:JDLI|deleting referenced information]. When I logged in today one of these IPs has now canvassed user:Yerevantsi about my removing Armenian ethnicity from the David the Invincible article since a university source questions his ethnicity.

IPs in question.

My question is, can we protect the articles(under WP:GS/AA enforcement 500/30 restrictions) these IPs continue to disrupt or would filing an SPI be a more prudent action? Or both? --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Kansas Bear, I think SPI seems most appropriate here given the range of articles affected. This IP range may merit investigation, although there is some noise that doesn't quite match Armen888. signed, Rosguill talk 17:05, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

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