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Requested move 17 July 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move seven pages to Estonian identity card, Moldovan identity card, Hong Kong identity card, Iranian identity card, Saudi Arabian identity card, Turkish identity card, and Thai identity card. No consensus to move the other pages at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 20:18, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

– Keep the clear and consistent naming conventions that are already widespread within the Category:National identity cards by country. 83.228.160.33 (talk) 19:33, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak support. (In any case, all the redlinks above should have re-direct pages created). --BushelCandle (talk) 19:58, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Per the reasoning of User:AjaxSmack below, I now remove my weak support for renaming specific articles Bilhete de Identidade (Portugal), National Registration Identity Card, Proof of Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia and Registro de Identidade Civil without prejudice to the suggestion to still make appropriate re-directs.--BushelCandle (talk) 19:07, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose to renaming the specific articles Bilhete de Identidade (Portugal), National Registration Identity Card, Proof of Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia and Registro de Identidade Civil without prejudice to the suggestion to still make appropriate re-directs.--BushelCandle (talk) 19:07, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME, although I was at first hesitant to move from using the "official" names of these cards. jamacfarlane (talk) 20:37, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why? — AjaxSmack 02:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support for WP:CONSISTENCY, too. Most of these are not "official" names anyway, but someone's attempt at translating them. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:37, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose if an article name is in fact the official name for the document. For example, "National Registration Identity Card" is the official Singaporean name for this document, and it is common in Singapore to refer to the document by the abbreviation "NRIC" rather than to call it a "Singaporean identity card" (which I've never heard anyone use). — SGconlaw (talk) 11:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- SGconlaw: this is an encylopaedia, not a list of WP:OFFICIAL names. I could be persuded that an exception should be made if "NRIC" is the WP:COMMONNAME but there's no reason Estonian ID card should be used instead of "Estonian identity card". jamacfarlane (talk) 15:27, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - As I wrote, "[o]ppose if an article name is in fact the official name for the document". If the article name is not the official name, I have no objection if it is renamed. — SGconlaw (talk) 15:34, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support , for consistency.--Joseph (talk) 17:53, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose except for those such as Estonian ID card that are descriptions. No compelling reason for the move has been given and the entries do not appear to have been well reviewed. User:Sgconlaw gives one example above that is in violation of WP:COMMONNAMES. In other cases, the proposed title is blatantly inaccurate. The Proof of Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia (SBKRI) is not even about the current Indonesian identity card (KTP) which is dealt with in a separate article already called "Indonesian identity card". The Registro de Identidade Civil of Brazil is a defunct project that has been superseded by a new Documento Nacional de Identidade. Portugal's Bilhete de Identidade listed in the nomination has largely been phased out in favour of the Citizen Card. I encourage previous and future voters here to consider these before bowing before the god of consistency and giving blanket approval to title changes of an unvetted list. — AjaxSmack 17:31, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Then carve out the exception. I gets tiresome to have mass-RMs fall apart and get re-done and re-re-done without a line-item from thr last version of the RM just because someone objects to one or two entries and a bunch of other people "me too" against the entire proposal instead of agreeing with it except for what they want to exclude. It's a huge time-suck. WP:NOT#BUREAUCRACY, WP:Common sense, etc. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 18:49, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It also gets tiresome to have sloppy mass-RMs that throw together apples and oranges, expecting the participants to sort out the mess. — AjaxSmack 19:05, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but we now need to make progress and resolve this rename request in an efficient manner. --BushelCandle (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Progress toward what? There is no compelling policy-based rationale in the nomination that warrants ignoring WP:COMMONAMES, overwriting existing articles, or titling articles inaccurately. The request as currently formulated should be opposed/cancelled. If someone else wants to come back with a new, truncated nomination list of articles with descriptive titles like Estonian ID card that can be standardised to match other titles, I'll fully support such moves. — AjaxSmack 19:31, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Progress towards resolving this rename request - either by a blanket "decline", a selective renaming (as favoured by Stanton and I) or a (pretty daft) blanket "accept". It's pretty clear that you favour the first approach. --BushelCandle (talk) 20:26, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think there's consensus to move the following:

Estonian ID card → Estonian identity card

Moldovan Identity Card → Moldovan identity card

Hong Kong Identity Card → Hong Kong identity card

Iranian national identity card → Iranian identity card

Saudi Arabian National ID Card → Saudi Arabian identity card

Republic of Turkey Identity Card → Turkish identity card

Thai national ID card → Thai identity card

National identity card (France) → French identity card

jamacfarlane (talk) 01:28, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for you efforts. I support these proposed moves except for the last which I am agnostic about. Sources in the National identity card (France) article use "national identity card". — AjaxSmack 02:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On the last one, the "official" name is "carte nationale d’identité" so by definition any English translation is "unofficial". As we are including "French" in the article title, "national" becomes essentially redundant. jamacfarlane (talk) 09:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Question: What is the significance of some countries being listed in italics at Template:Identity cards ?

Answer: User:AjaxSmack was perceptive enough to spot that "the bottom of the template reads "Biometric identity cards () are indicated in italics". --BushelCandle (talk) 18:04, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I must confess that this whole issue is seeming more and more like the proverbial can of worms and I am now tending towards changing my vote to a "weak oppose" since I suspect any problems of navigation can be more expeditiously solved by re-direct pages and judicious editing of Template:Identity cards and I've yet to understand the need for consistent naming from a reader's (as opposed to an editor's) perspective... --BushelCandle (talk) 13:41, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I've just noticed that IP address 83.228.160.33, which is also the nominator's, has edited many all of the articles listed above to switch from using "official" document names in the lead sentence to a standard format of "country identity card". See Special:Contributions/83.228.160.33 on July 17 2018. jamacfarlane (talk) 19:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I had noticed that before and thought it a little premature but I did not want to prejudice a discussion on the merits of his proposal by bringing it up here. --BushelCandle (talk) 21:08, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, I can see no good reason to avoid official names or official English translations if they exist. Also, Republic of China id card versus Taiwanese id card is another minefield that shouldn't be touched by a mass nomination like this one. No argument for renaming (other than the always problematic "consistency") has been brought forward. —Kusma (t·c) 09:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Kusma do you oppose all, or just the ones where official names/translations exist? jamacfarlane (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - I do not support any of the moves, but I don't have a strong preference for Estonian ID card versus Estonian identity card. —Kusma (t·c) 09:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The Picture of the Ghana Card

Please the picture of the Ghana Card on the page is different from the current one. NobleDziwornuChristos (talk) 12:55, 9 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]