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Hot rod rock is a type of surf music

It's a genre composed of car songs, it is not "car songs: the genre". When Geoffrey Himes says hot rod rock is only "subtly different" from surf music, then Surf music is clearly more pertinent to the subject than car song, a much more broad topic. Thus, there is more related information on the surf music article, and it makes little sense to redirect hot rod rock here.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 12:34, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Different reliable sources seem to be inconsistent with each other. In Hoffman and Bailey's Arts & Entertainment Fads, Volume 1, the entry for "car song" is a discussion of the music scene that other sources call hot rod rock. I admit that prior to two days ago, I knew very little about hot rod rock and car songs, so I'm going by what I've found in reliable sources. Basically, from what I can see in sources, hot rod rock is a subgenre of surf music. But it also is the most defining moment for car songs. With the redirects, I have them pointing here because this section is longer. I can copy everything over to the surf music article as well, so that we have basically the same section in both articles, if that will resolve the dispute.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 17:25, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Having identical text on both articles doesn't solve anything, in fact you removed content that was only on Surf music. Nowhere in the Hoffman / Bailey piece does it conflate 'car songs' with 'hot rod music' or 'hot rod rock' (WP:SYNTHESIS). It also ignores the fact that 'car songs' or 'songs about cars' were well-established before the Beach Boys came along. The source isn't very good and has nobody supporting 'car songs' as an interchangeable term for 1960s 'hot rod rock'. Roy Shuker even makes it clear that they aren't interchangeable when he writes: "Beach Boy Brian Wilson ... Gary Usher... [and] Roger Christian played leading roles in popularizing 'car songs' and hot rod music."
Since most 1960s car songs are generally regarded as offshoots of surfing music, and have very little differences between each other, it's unnecessary that this article should closely detail the musical nature of those 'car songs'. Conversely, Surf music does not need to go in depth about the history of 'songs about cars', just like it doesn't get into the history of songs about the aquatic. There has actually been more content on Surf music about hot rod rock than there ever was on this article, because they are in continuity and directly overlap with each other (see "Surf City" which begins with the line 'bought a '30 Ford wagon and we call it a woodie...').--Ilovetopaint (talk) 06:22, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticed the Hoffman / Bailey source refers to Wilson as an "accomplished lyricist"... a laughable statement. It's common knowledge that Wilson was anything but.--Ilovetopaint (talk) 07:25, 14 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm satisfied with that rationale. The illustrated discography of hot rod music, 1961-1965 in particular explicitly explains that hot rod rock is only a form of car song that emerged in the surf rock scene. I apologize for any tension my previous edits had caused. I started developing this article due to the deletion discussion, and found that I ended up with more content here on hot rod rock than in the surf rock article, so I merged things here. I probably could have taken the time to expand the hot rod music section in the surf rock article. Actually, there seems to be enough sources discussing the movement for an entire hot rod music article to be created.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 05:09, 15 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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