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Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#I would like everyone to read this

Previous discussion: User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 229#I'm interested in bringing this to wide attention in the community

--Guy Macon (talk) 08:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The EU proposal isn't all that much different from the Content ID system used at YouTube. The problem is that EU law doesn't define fair use as clearly as US law does in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and some countries such as Germany do not allow fair use at all. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is here on the German language version of Wikipedia. Note the complete lack of the cover art and audio clips to keep meine Damen und Herren happy. People should be wary of this type of restrictive copyright law being imposed throughout Europe.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:12, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is a huge difference between one website choosing to filter content and a law forcing all websites to do so. --Guy Macon (talk) 10:23, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lenz v. Universal Music Corp. established that copyright holders must consider fair use in good faith before issuing a takedown notice for content posted on the Internet. The real worry with EU law is copyright holders saying no and refusing to allow fair use. Sites like YouTube could not be hosted in Europe if this happened.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:49, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Macon, have a listen to this prophesy and history. Take a step back. Think Uber. Whoever has the most money and best lawyers is going to win with any of these societal changes. Then think of people/consumers as voluntary slaves...think of the old "company stores" system; slaves to whatever rules and controls the slave masters want to install. Now, I think, slave masters want as much control over every aspect of their slaves' lives as possible, so they want to know all they can about their slaves, especially what their slaves are thinking about, in order to A: see and prevent any sort of slave rebellion and B: keep the slaves working and consuming at optimum capacity. The trend is obvious and the solution is becoming less achievable with every passing day. Our western world populations sense what's happening and are using the only power they have, their votes, to express, with Brexit and so-called "populism", their desperation is at the the point of grasping at straws.....but what they must do, and are unwilling to do, in order to change the trend, is put as much personal time into political activity as theydo into their gadgets and spectator sports. Sheep get fleeced. Nocturnalnow (talk) 13:34, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nonetheless, if a good leader were to emerge, someone with some street cred like what Jimbo has, who could galvanize internet communities into instruments of political action (or at this point in time, political defence/resistance), then maybe the simple power of numbers could provide some protection and "fight back" energy. However, I do not see anybody like that anywhere. Nocturnalnow (talk) 17:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimbo, it.wiki went on a blackout; it certainly would be really effective if other versions of WP (and sister Projects) did the same. What's your view? Greetings :-) --g (talk) 23:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Availability update

Jimbo I have to work this weekend so everything I told you I would do you have to do. Thanks in advance! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAHXwLRI88Q EllenCT (talk) 17:16, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hahahaha!! I have to work next weekend so I might be asking the same then

--5 albert square (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]