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Homers

Cal Ripken Jr. only had 431 homers, he didn't surpass Ernie Banks at 512. User: 64.131.184.221 05:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV and Sources

I fixed some of the NPOV issues that were in the article. Here is a summary of what I changed or noticed:

  • In 1955, he set the record for grand slams in a single season, at an amazing 5. - The amazing comment is definitely an opinion. While it is a tremendous feat, the tone should remain neutral.
  • Banks won the National League Most Valuable Player Award twice, in 1958 and 1959. This feat is amazing, since the Cubs were never pennant contenders during Banks' career and this award is usually given to players who contribute substantially to their teams' championship drives. - Again this is an opinion.
  • A contemporary sportswriter remarked that, "Without Ernie Banks, the Cubs would have finished the season in Albuquerque!" - If this is true, then it needs a citation, right now it is just an unreferenced claim.
  • Despite never having appeared in a postseason game, Banks is regarded as the most popular baseball player in Chicago history, leading to his nickname of "Mr. Cub." - Regarded by who, again, this needs to be referenced.
  • Ernie Banks has been rumored to be part of a group looking into buying the Chicago Cubs, in case the Tribune Company decides to sell the club, as is also rumored. - This needs to be cited as well.

In the next couple of weeks (depending on my schedule) I would like to improve and expand this article. As a Cub fan, I would love to see his page reach featured article status.--Cyrus Andiron t/c 14:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article could use some improvement and expansion, for sure. You were right to remove the hype, as it's redundant, at the very least. Ernie's stats speak for themselves. I found the Albuquerque quote. I had forgotten who said it. Dykes is the one attributed, which stands to reason, as he was a player and manager on the rival Sox for many years, and was often good for a quip. To say Ernie "is the most popular player" is a stretch at this point, since a generation or two never saw him play. A lot of them never saw Sandberg play, and I think he was being called "The New Mr. Cub" at one point. Sandberg wasn't outgoing like Ernie, though. "Among the most popular" is certainly fair. I had to relocate the Crain's article which I think was my original source for the comment about Banks looking into acquisition of the Cubs. That article is 8 months old, but as far as I know the Trib company is still looking at divestiture possibilities... of the Cubs, of WGN, of anything that they think will somehow make them wealthier in the short run. Wahkeenah 14:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was it Banks who said, "Let's play two!"? And, if so, is it a phrase notable enough for mention? 199.8.26.10 (talk) 19:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Albuquerque

The article links to the city, which is unhelpful to me. It is obvious to me where they're talking about; the question is why? What connection to baseball does Albuquerque have?--Prosfilaes (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Albuquerque has traditionally been some major league team's minor league affiliate. For some years, it was the L.A. Dodgers' AAA affiliate in the Pacific Coast League. Perhaps it was a Chicago Cubs minor league team at the time, although as a long-time Cubs fan, I don't recall Albuquerque having a Cubs affiliate team. BubbleDine (talk) 14:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sportsguy17 (talk · contribs) 20:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So we meet again EricEnfermero . Glad to work with you again. I'll take up this review. I will have it be noted that I am participating in WikiCup, but I am not doing it to win, just for fun. Anyway, let me do the initial stuff. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 20:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reflinks gives me a thumbs up. I am a little concerned about Checklinks, especially the Baseball-Reference citation. While not a requirement, do you think you could search Baseball-Reference for his new Home Run log, or see if it was archived? Everything else labeled look like redirects and are OK. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 20:15, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Done. Looks like the title and URL changed slightly. I always forget Reflinks and Checklinks. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 20:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Section-by-Section

Lead
  • In the second paragraph, clarify who the Cubs are. Are they in the Negro league, or are you referring to the MLB team the Cubs? If so, say He joined the MLB in 1953 and played for the Cubs.
  • In the last sentence, change it to Banks currently resides in the Los Angeles area. It gives more sophisticated language and also clarifies for the reader that it is his current residence.
Early Life
  • Could you find a reference for the statement that his father bought him a glove for less than three dollars at the five and dime store?

When you do, also add what age that happened at.

  • Could you also find a source his high school graduation?

I have to go eat dinner, so lets start with these two sections. I'm mostly looking at references as well as sentencing structure. The article overall looks good so far. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 23:11, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MLB Career (Early Career)
  • In the first paragraph of, I'd like to see a reference for him being the first black player on the Cubs, as well as Krosntadt and Moffi's writing.
  • Both the quote and the first black player assertion come from the Kronstadt and Moffi source. Is that the question? WP:Citation overkill encourages that one reference can be used for multiple consecutive sentences without repeating the ref tag. I try my best to source each sentence that falls under WP:MINREF, but I'm concerned about readability if we routinely source like that. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 01:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second paragraph looks fine.
  • The third paragraph has many unreferenced statements. Add a reference about him and Gene Baker and Baker being the second black player on the Cubs. Likely, Baseball-Reference will work for many statements about Banks in this paragraph regarding statistics.
  • The fourth paragraph is all good.
  • The fifth paragraph again could use sources such as Baseball-Reference to reference statistics.

Lets put it here for now @EricEnfermero: and you can make changes as suggested. I need to offline soon and may not hope back on again tonight. Once again, it's been a pleasure to work with you [again] so far . The article is looking good and best. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 00:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, sir. I have this watchlisted, so I'll respond to the next round of feedback as soon as I am online again. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 01:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, forgot about WP:WTW. Ignore my suggestion there then, as well as for adding more refs. As long as its verifiable. I shall move on now. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 16:12, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the continuation

MLB Career (Move to first base)
  • First paragraph looks good.
  • We need to reference a few things in the second paragraph (again, I'm sorry if I'm suggesting too much referencing, this is just for a few things ). Mostly, we just need references for his batting averages (again Baseball-Reference or MLB.com will work) and if possible reference his offseason activities. I am mostly asking to reference per WP:OR. If another reference already references it, then its fine.
  • For the third paragraph, we should reference his 4000th home run and maybe a reference of Durocher's arrival.
  • Fourth paragraph looks good.
  • Fifth paragraph is good too.
MLB Career (Final seasons)
  • This whole section looks good.
Personal Life
  • This section looks good.
Later years and honors
  • Reference his throwing out the ceremonial first pitch. Otherwise, section looks good.

This concludes the section-by-section. Let me know when you're done. Then, we can give it a final scrubdown review, @EricEnfermero:. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 16:40, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. All of the above should be addressed now. For things like the Durocher hiring, they're sourced at the end of the paragraph, but I added sources for the 4000th HR and the All-Star Game first pitch. I'm ready for my scrubdown. :) Again, thanks for your work on this so far. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 17:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Final Review

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  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality, no copyvios, spelling and grammar:
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. Has an appropriate reference section:
    B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

Pass! Excellent work. It was a pleasure to work with you once more. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 17:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Baker or Banks?

Who was the first Afro-American to play for the Cubs? Both Baker and Banks started in 1953. Our text and NPR say it was Ernie Banks, but their team-mate Ralph Kiner said Baker: http://www.baseballlibrary.com/excerpts/excerpt.php?book=banks_sandberg_grace&page=3. Kdammers (talk) 09:03, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I took his comment as possibly meaning that Baker joined the team around the time Banks did, which turns out to be true. Banks debuted on September 17 and Baker followed three days later per the players' Baseball Reference entries. EricEnfermero (Talk) 09:11, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I left out that Baker was signed by the organization almost four years earlier than Banks, but he spent that time in the minors. EricEnfermero (Talk) 09:15, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Death before an Upcoming Birthday

He died eight days before his 84th birthday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.34.211 (talk) 04:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Quotation/grammar

There is a quotation in our article that is separated from statements attributed to the mayor. Apparently, the quotation, which is currently the last one in the article, is also from the mayor. How=ever, there is a grammatical error in it. Either we have made a mistake, or a sic should be added: " The Chicago Cubs have announced they will pay for Ernie Banks’ $35,000 funeral. Donnellan Funeral Home filed a court claim Wednesday, asking for the money. Expenses for the funeral that was held last month included an $11,000 casket and nearly $7,000 dollars in flowers. Friday night, the Cubs confirm the tab will be covered by team management and the Ricketts family." CONFIRM-ED. Also, this quotation refers to the Ricketts family, with no other mention of them in the article. Kdammers (talk) 13:27, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I stuck the quote in a Google search and it was taken from (though not attributed to) a newspaper article. I removed it. Someone can paraphrase and source that information if they like, but there's no reason to quote extensively from routine news coverage. Thanks for the heads up. EricEnfermero (Talk) 13:51, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Correction - not a newspaper article. A WGN online news item. EricEnfermero (Talk) 13:52, 27 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Layout - 1967 / final years

I'm just leaving this section here in case User:YahwehSaves would like to discuss the placement of the 1967 season within the article rather than running up another WP:3RR issue. I think it's fine where it is; from his edits, it looks like he wants it under the final seasons section.

I suspect that this is just gratuitous tinkering with the entry. Sometimes you will observe this pattern of editing with YS, where you fix an actual mistake or, more commonly, a series of actual mistakes, and he feels the need to move content around or perform odd rewording on the same entry. I think that keeping the 1967 season and 1967 image in the middle section creates a more symmetric distribution of images, and I don't know what his reasoning is for moving those. EricEnfermero (Talk) 07:11, 15 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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