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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Lordofmodesty (talk | contribs) at 20:27, 31 July 2008 (→Project direction?: contemplated the project direction). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Creation of page

Hi all! Glad you have made your way to this project. *smiles* I have been considering starting a Wikiproject or task force for some time that would focus solely on maintaining and reducing the backlog of articles needing copy edit; this idea came about because I realised that there is currently no Wikiproject dealing with this (after WP:LOCE died due to non-fulfillment of copy editing requests, probably among other reasons).

The Wikiprojects closest in intention are WP:Grammar and WP:PR, but these don't deal with the backlog. I have contacted several people over the past weeks who are or may be interested in the project, and will send out a more general call for interested people, especially to members of WP:LOCE, WP:Grammar, and perhaps WP:PR. We'll see how things go. Meanwhile, feel free to start copy editing, discussing project details, and what have you.

The next thing we should do for the project is to create images and templates for our logo, usebox, article-in-use tags, and etc. I have some skill with PhotoShop so I'll be working on this if I have the time, but feel free to try too :)

Cheers! -Samuel Tan 01:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stuff to do!

Tools: Wikiproject guide, Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/WikiProject, nav templates

  1. Create the project page, which should include, if humanly possible,
    • Pretty pictures for the Wikiproject and to, well, embellish the page (*grin*)
    • Statements of the project's goals and scope  Done
    • To do lists Done
    • Progress chart with links fixed
    • Requests for help/collaboration Done
    • List of useful templates Done
    • Copy editing guidelines (ref. "How to copy edit") Done
    • Links to lists of articles needing copy edit sorted by various categories (not sure if possible)
    • List of members Done
    • Guides to GA / FA nomination Done
    • Guides to deletion / translation processes Done
    • Links to the MoS and other Wikipedia guides Done
  2. Notify previous members of WP:LOCE and current members of WP:Grammar and WP:PR
  3. List on WP:COUNCIL/P  Done
  4. Create own page if >5 members  Done
  5. Create project userbox and article-in-use template

-Samuel Tan 01:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Getting the word out

I've contacted a good-sized bunch of possibly interested Wikipedians. We should eventually create a project banner to help people get to know us, but let's see how many people respond to the calls so far. Once we get a sizable amount of people in the project, we can start discussing the details (if any issues pop up). -Samuel Tan 04:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Signing up

So, err, I'm interested in joining, but I'm not sure exactly how the code for the signup table works (the code for copying seems to have vanished, assuming it's meant to be within the comment). Plus the table on the project page doesn't seem to have updated with any of the members except the first two. Adacore (talk) 05:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah there was a coding error... I had mistakenly linked it to an old version of the page on my userspace. It's fixed now; want me to help you sign up? :) -Samuel Tan 07:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've done it now - easy enough when the template is there to copy. I could probably have signed up earlier, but I wanted to make sure it was working ok first (which, it seems, it wasn't)! Adacore (talk) 07:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
welcome to the land of little blue shiney spheres *grin* -Samuel Tan 08:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Project direction?

I conceived this project as happy and relaxed, where everyone can work on the articles at their own pace (because I imagine that imposing deadlines on copy editing can really burn people out).

But what do you guys think? Should we create some short-term goals for ourselves? Is everyone ok with the "goals and scope" stuff we currently have on the front page?

(and nice that we're getting bigger *smile*)Samuel Tan 11:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Samuel. Thanks for the invitation to join, which I have done. I think the 'happy and relaxed' approach is good, even though that means articles probably won't get edited quickly; however, less pressure means we're more likely to edit out of our own volition and should do that with enthusiasm :) MP (talk•contribs) 17:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me, Samuel. It feels better than LOCE, I think. Short-term goals would be good. I always get a little freaked when someone tosses in a huge page I can barely understand and says "fix it up!". IceUnshattered (talk) 18:24, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey guys, Lazulilasher has put up the article Louvre on the main page for help getting it to FA status. Do we want to help with such requests, or direct them to Peer Review? My original idea was that we only work on articles tagged {{copyedit}}, but I'm wondering what you guys think. -Samuel Tan 05:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'd rather work on articles like this. I mean, if we're honest, lots of pages that are tagged in the backlog are tagged because they suck in all categories. To improve the copy, we would really need to improve the whole article. Louvre is pretty solid, but just needs a prose re-work. But then again, taking articles like this is what the LOCE did, and it didn't work out. So, I'm not sure. Lord of Modesty 20:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Project logo, banner, userbox, shortcuts

Hey guys, I just created those stuff. The banner is hosted as a subpage of the project, and the usebox is on the template space. Feel free to change them if you have better ideas :) -Samuel Tan 12:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Project Name

What does everyone think about possibly changing the name? Maybe it's just me, but 'Wikiproject Articles Needing Copy Edit' is really a mouthful. Maybe we could go for something less technical, like "Wikiproject Icy Black Hand of Death" (he he). Thoughts? Lordofmodesty (talk) 03:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I wanted a nice name too but couldn't think of one >.< "The Copy Edit Backloggers"? "The League of Copy Editors v2.0"? EyeSerene suggested "WANCers" (per the acronym WP:WANC) but that might get us speedily deleted haha
Actually Icy Black Hand of Death has a nice ring to it... How about "WikiProject: Icy Blue Pen"? *grin*) -Samuel Tan 03:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, wait, I've got it: Wikiproject Fierce Restorers Of Grammar and Syntax. That way, we can be Wikiproject FROGS. *chuckle* Lordofmodesty (talk) 19:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that the name is too long. For the simplest, most straight-forward name, WP:WikiProject Copy Editing or WP:WikiProject Copy Editors (or "Copy-editing" or "Copyediting" or "Copy-editors" or "Copyeditors") aren't taken. Or, if we want to continue the tradition of the League of Copy Editors, it could be "Order of Copy Editors", "Cabal of Copy Editors" (there is no cabal), "Syndicate of Copy Editors", "Flange of Copy Editors", etc... -kotra (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I favor the most self-evident, Wikiproject Copyeditors (or some similar variation). Lordofmodesty (talk) 04:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I like the "Guild of Copy Editors", "Copy Editors' Alliance", or "Copy Editors' Association". None of these, of course, have a great acronym like FROGS or an intimidating name, which obviously have their advantages. *grin* --Peacheshead (talk) 01:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I think "XYZ of Copy Editors" or "Copy Editors' XYZ" would be good. If we want a great acronym, "Alliance of Copy Editors" would give us ACE. *grin* Another possibility is "Copy Editors Society", analogous to the American Copy Editors Society. -Samuel Tan 02:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so we've got:
  • WikiProject Articles Needing Copy Edit [current name]
  • WikiProject Icy Black Hand of Death
  • WikiProject Copy Edit Backloggers
  • WikiProject League of Copy Editors v2.0
  • WikiProject Icy Blue Pen
  • WikiProject Fierce Restorers Of Grammar and Syntax [FROGS]
  • WikiProject Copy Editors
  • WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors
  • WikiProject Copy Editors' Alliance
  • WikiProject Copy Editors' Association
  • WikiProject Alliance of Copy Editors [ACE]
  • WikiProject Copy Editors Society
Suggestion: the ones that don't start with "WikiProject" probably should, as convention. The full name of the League of Copy Editors, for example, was Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors.
Any favorites? Additions? Comments? -kotra (talk) 06:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, "Wikipedia: WikiProject" is what they call a pseudo-namespace for all projects, or something like that. Anyway I think we shuld decide first if we want an eye-catching name (... Hand of Death, FROGS, etc) or a professional-sounding name. My two cents: I personally like Guild/Alliance of Copy Editors, and Copy Editor's Society: broad-sounding names that may attract more people who like to copy edit. :) -Samuel Tan 14:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've added "WikiProject" to all the above now. Note that two now are longer than the current name (LoCE v2.0 and FROGS), so I think we can probably eliminate them since the main reason for the name change is that the current name is too long.
And I agree, silliness is ok in some contexts but a more professional-sounding name seems better here. -kotra (talk) 17:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Newsletter?

Are you guys in favor of a project newsletter? I'm thinking of creating a really simple one, with just an update of the number of articles needing copy edit, new requests for help/collaboration, new announcements, and perhaps a list of new members. Any thoughts? -Samuel Tan 02:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think maybe we should wait until the project gets a little better established. Lord of Modesty 02:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. The newsletter is a good idea, but we haven't even decided for sure on the name yet. -kotra (talk) 05:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
For deliver of the newsletter , you may use the services of TinucherianBot or any other Newsletter delivery bots -- Tinu Cherian - 05:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. It's a bit odd to have a newsletter when we're still discussing our name. Heh. -Samuel Tan 14:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article-in-use template

I've gone ahead and made an article-in-use template for the project. It is largely based on the old LoCE template (and it's the first template I've made). Obviously, feel free to fix/change the template as things take shape here. The template is at {{PACEinuse}} and looks like this:
Template:PACEinuse
--Peacheshead (talk) 02:51, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one! This template is really convincing me that we need to come up with a shorter project name. Our current name really is quite a mouthful. (I removed our project name from the last line because the length of the name was making it sound awkward. *grin*) I'll copy the template to our main page. -Samuel Tan 11:32, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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