Talk:Danny Beales

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) 04:23, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that Danny Beales has been tipped to be Boris Johnson's replacement?~~ Source: "The latest local opinion poll from Britain Predicts suggests he’s 11 points ahead, the kind of figure he’ll need to overturn a 7,210 Conservative majority." [1]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Two Sketches for a Sonata

5x expanded by Ritchie333 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:16, 25 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Danny Beales; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Comment I'm sure there's a humorous DYK hook to be made of this. Paging the EEng joke factory for ideas. Also, because of the rules "While it is fine to cover topics of commercial or political interest, DYK must not provide inappropriate advantage for such causes (e.g. during election campaigns or product launches)" I'll say I would write an article about the Conservative candidate Steve Tuckwell, but I can't find enough sources. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 12:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is the first time I've seen someone being tipped in this sense, which I gather is equivalent to when Americans say someone's been tapped for a position or honor (i.e. put forward as a candidate or nominee). But I'm not seeing it in OED (while tap, in this sense, is there; nor can I find any such usage online). Are you sure about this usage?
Meanwhile... there may be some hook potential in Beales's superior surgical skills. E Eng 19:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The verb usage under wikt:tip#Etymology_5 maybe? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:09, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, that doesn't cover this usage. Ritchie333, can you supply an example of this usage in the wild (high-quality source, ideally). Meanwhile, I'll cogitate on the surgery and so on. E Eng 10:29, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
From the Cambridge English Dictionary - (mainly UK) to say that someone is likely to be successful or achieve something: He is being tipped as the next prime minister. Note, tipped AS, not tipped TO BE, so the hook probably wants tweaking to suit. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:25, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK, good that covers it. Now then... The best I can come up with is
ALT1 ... that Danny Beales, who has been tipped to replace Boris Johnson, says Johnson has done no surgery in ten years? Source: [2] "I think mostly the sense for the last 10 years was, we haven’t had a local MP, there hasn’t been an advice surgery where you can go and see your MP."

Pretty ho-hum if I do say so myself, and while Americans may be momentarily intrigued, Brits will see right through it. Best I can come up with. E Eng 07:30, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i was pretty surprised about this comment about the construction "tipped to be", so i dug a little further, and noticed that the link to cambridge provided above does actually appear to support this usage. "be tipped to do sth" [emphasis removed] is mentioned a little further down on that same page. the link to wiktionary also appears to have provided an appropriate example that covered this usage, with the construction "tipped to defeat": "Liz Truss is widely tipped to defeat rival Rishi Sunak to become the new British prime minister." [emphasis removed]. the construction "tipped to be" can be seen used by www.gov.uk here, and by bbc.co.uk here. dying (talk) 12:10, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment should we be running a DYK on a political candidate so close to an election? I'm reasonably sure there is a DYK guideline (either written or unwritten) that we don't run DYKs where they are related to elections in the next 30 days, and 2023 Uxbridge and South Ruislip by-election is in 20 days time. Instead, we leave them until after the election date. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:01, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, it's a rule that hooks about candidates can't run within 30 days of their election unless both or all candidates are nominated as part of the same hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Narutolovehinata5 Which neither of these hooks satisfy, because they mention only 1 of the 17 candidates at the upcoming bi-election (and any hook trying to name all 17 would be ridiculous anyway). Therefore, I believe that as per DYK rules, this shouldn't run until after 20 July (the day of the bi-election). Joseph2302 (talk) 13:35, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed. The by-election is later today, so there's no longer any chance that this nomination could run too early; a review can start at any time. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:11, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment not a full review, but a couple of issues. Firstly, he didn't win the bi-election, and so ALT0 seems no longer relevant in my opinion. Secondly, as he didn't win the bi-election, the article has been prodded, and so if the prod remains, it cannot currently run. Personally, I don't think it would survive an AFD, as there is only only really decent source about him in the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:28, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Need a new hook. --evrik ^(talk) 15:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On hold while article is at Aricles for deletion. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Since the article has been kept at AfD, the review can continue, but a new hook is needed, and the article itself still has a notability template on it that will need to be dealt with before it can be promoted at DYK. Pinging nominator Ritchie333. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:09, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I think this nomination has run its course and should be closed as "not listed". The notability template isn't required now, consensus at the AfD showed the subject is notable. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:43, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ritchie333: So you're basically withdrawing the nomination? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, unless somebody else wants to run with it. Not every DYK nomination is obliged to hit the main page; and I think this can be an important way of raising that point. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:58, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate controversy

An IP recently removed this section as being "factually incorrect", though it is all sourced.

In my view, The New European is a reliable source. I don't know anything about labourlist.org - does anyone else?

I'm not going to restore the section per WP:BLPSOURCES, but think this needs a discussion.Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 09:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Beales's middle name

Mr Beales's middle name, Boy, is unusual, but isn't explained or commented on here. Is that because wikipedians thought it would be impertinent, and so didn't ask the question (why is/was he called that?) or is it because an explanation was found, but it was thought not anything useful for such a biographical article?

Is it a middle name or is his first name actually Danny Boy? Or is his last name actually double barrelled but unhyphenated: Boy Beales? His first name is not Daniel, then, or is it, or was it, and he changed it to Danny, adding the Boy at the same time?

He doesn't use it on his website, www.dannybeales.com, but commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/88163/Pdf does use it. Nick Barnett (talk) 00:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is his middle name. It is so unusual that our local newspaper in Camden the New Journal has written about it confirming it. He also always uses Danny including on official documents like companies house so Danny is clearly his full first name. https://edition.pagesuite.com/html5/reader/production/default.aspx?pnum=7&edid=6ffa8c28-2930-4c86-97af-07eb360b5eb5&isshared=true Fosse1884 (talk) 10:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]