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I am nominating this featured article for review because of uncited passages and the article has not been updated with much post-2008 information. Z1720 (talk) 16:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to FARC It needs a lot of work to bring it up to current FA standard. The economy section alone does not really explain much about the island's economy and is mostly focused on transport. That is ok given its an island but then there is little explanation of the transport infrastructure eg ferry terminal and no detail about the ships Iona, Klydon and Clytus which must have had a major impact for the economy and socially for the island over the last century. Coldupnorth (talk) 10:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the heads-up. Not easy to know what else can be said about the economy - https://www.orkney.com/explore/shapinsay for example has little or no new detail. Omand (2003) has a few more historical snippets I think but I don't see anything new on Google books. I can have a look for some info about the ferry terminal etc. There's an interesting article here about electric ferries for example. However, I wouldn't expect a great deal of noteworthy information to have been accumulated since 2008. I have not been there since before that time but the last time I looked across the sound from Kirkwall it still seemed to be essentially the farming community of 300 folk it was then. Not sure about the 'uncited passages'. It's a while since I spent any time on the article but (unless you think every sentence needs one so that a single para might have several duplicate refs) I don't see any big problems. Any specifics gratefully received. As a jocular aside I find it amusing that the island has been inhabited for 4,000 years or more but an FA about it from 15 years ago is described as "very old". We all have our different perspectives I suppose. Ben MacDui 12:40, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Ben MacDui happy to see you on board! If you can add those bits you mention above, I'll have another look (as I was the author of the original concerns). Let me know when you think it's ready for a new look. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Good to hear from you Sandy. I hope to take a look this coming weekend. Ben MacDui 18:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I have added a bit about the Klydon and Clytus which had rather undistinguished origins. There does not appear to be a ferry terminal as such as the image suggests. I'll have another stab as soon as I can manage. Ben MacDui 16:19, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Good additions. I added a bit on agriculture too as an update. I think the economy and now transport sections are much improved already. Coldupnorth (talk) 23:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- SandyGeorgia et al. I have made some references more detailed, tweaked the lead and added a short section that covers some of the downsides of the Balfour improvements. (I might add a short note to this as well.) I can't seen any egregious examples of missing citations. Please let me know what you think. Ben MacDui 11:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Good additions. I added a bit on agriculture too as an update. I think the economy and now transport sections are much improved already. Coldupnorth (talk) 23:52, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The demography section needs an update with 2021 data.
- The census in Scotland was undertaken in 2022. To the best of my knowledge there is no data yet for the islands – I beleive this is likely to appear in 2024. (The updates for all islands is a substantial task.)
- The history section has nothing post-1980. Are there any notable events from the past 40+ years?
- I met someone once who was from Shapinsay and had been appointed to a short-life government advisory board. Not sure this is super notable. I wonder when history ends and the modern economy begins. To me at least 1990 isn’t yet ‘history’. There is a bit of breaking news here I can add.
- I see references in the lede, which is sometimes a sign that information has been added to the lede that is not in the article body. Is this information in the article body? If so, these references are not needed.
- MOS:CITELEAD seems to be a bit wishy-washy about this sort of thing. I'll take a look.
- Many references are not of the highest quality, with many primary sources and tourism sites used. Can these sources be replaced?
- It is a recurring feature of encyclopedic work in relation to Scottish islands (and, I imagine, rural areas elsewhere in the world) that these resources are often called into question – but that none other are available. Undiscovered Scotland for example is often grumbled about – yet it is an excellent source of information and I have never found it to be inaccurate.
- Many sources have incomplete information, such as author, name of the website that is publishing this information, and archival information. Can each of the sources be looked at and information added?
- Perhaps we are more ADHD now than we were. I will have a look.
- Has a search been done of academic sources that could be added to the article, particularly ones published after this article was promoted?
- How often do get published about modern Shapinsay? I am no longer as assiduous as I once was in seeking academic-style books or articles out but my guess is that Omand (2003) was the last one. In short I am not aware of better sources.
I hope this helps. Z1720 (talk) 00:25, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Ben MacDui 10:17, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Z1720: I have now:
- Added the minor bit of breaking news referred to above.
- Removed the citations from the lead.
- Done a first pass at tidying them up. There is a dead link but no sign of a wayback archive being available. Ref #80 has a funny little ‘note’ that could arguably be removed or moved to the notes section.
- I also note that:
- There are a certain number of newer academic publications about local prehistory, history and some detailed work on local seabirds and seaweed but nothing at all that I can see about the modern political economy or anything in the former categories that (at first sight) suggests they have importance for this article.
- It is a feature of Shapinsay that although many the larger Orcadian isles – and some of the smaller ones such as Papa Westray - have archaeological sites of world importance Shapinsay has a relative paucity of them. I can’t see anything new on Canmore or JSTOR that needs to be added. Ben MacDui 11:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Recent news is typically harder to find academic sources for. Therefore, it might be better to look at local sources for information to add to the History section. I would suggest at least a sentence on the island's votes on the Scottish independence referendum and Brexit. Z1720 (talk) 16:10, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Orkney voted 63.2% 'Remain' and 67.2% 'No' but this data is not broken down by individual island. I am pretty sure this doesn't happen even for local authority elections, Shapinsay being part of the North Isles ward. See also Constitutional status of Orkney, Shetland and the Western Isles. Ben MacDui 13:48, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not aware of any further issues needing attention. Please indicate any I may have missed. Ben MacDui 17:00, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The article is much improved. I would now rate it as Keep as FA. Coldupnorth (talk) 15:10, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there anything more that can be added about the flora - the two reserves? Is the island all grassland and meadows? Are there any trees? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:54, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Orkney has very few stands of trees other than at Happy Valley on the Mianland and Shapinsay is pretty much all grass. I will however have a hunt for some more info soonest. Ben MacDui 17:29, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Casliber There is a decent picture here. If you scroll down you can see a woman with a red jacket walking through the landscape described as “a patchwork of lush grazing interspersed with fields of barley”. The summer wildflowers are a sight but there is nothing particularly special about Shapinsay from that point of view, at least afaik. The list of flower species is borrowed from the main Orkney article. The nature reserves seem to be shy about the details of the flora. I added some bumblebee info too. Ben MacDui 10:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Orkney has very few stands of trees other than at Happy Valley on the Mianland and Shapinsay is pretty much all grass. I will however have a hunt for some more info soonest. Ben MacDui 17:29, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Z1720: I'd be happy to continue working on this but (1) per the above the new census data has not yet appeared and (2) if you can make a suggestion or two about what aspects of the history are worth adding I can look into that. Ben MacDui 17:25, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ben MacDui: I am not too familiar with this topic, so I am not sure what to specifically suggest. However, there must be some post-1980 events that have happened at this location. Is there anything significant in terms of natural disasters, political events, the completion or discontinue of major infrastructure projects, and political events might be information that you could add to the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Z1720: There are numerous references to 21st century events under the economy, transport, education and culture headings. I'll have another look but bear in mind that this is an island with a population of 300 (roughly equivalent to Camden East), many of whom are farmers. I doubt there are too many political events of note to record. Ben MacDui 14:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I had a trawl through the BBC website again. We have
- @Z1720: There are numerous references to 21st century events under the economy, transport, education and culture headings. I'll have another look but bear in mind that this is an island with a population of 300 (roughly equivalent to Camden East), many of whom are farmers. I doubt there are too many political events of note to record. Ben MacDui 14:43, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ben MacDui: I am not too familiar with this topic, so I am not sure what to specifically suggest. However, there must be some post-1980 events that have happened at this location. Is there anything significant in terms of natural disasters, political events, the completion or discontinue of major infrastructure projects, and political events might be information that you could add to the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- a grounded yacht in 2018
- some stranded fish in 2023
- a false alert in 2010
- a rescued turtle in 2017
- stoat detection in 2021 (none were found)
- someone growing some tea plants in 2022
There was also a story about a jailed rapist who lived on the island – although the crimes were committed elsewhere and I am not keen on an inclusion. Ben MacDui 20:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC).[reply]
- @Ben MacDui: These stories feel like routine articles and I'm not sure if any of them are notable. Instead, I think some of the events listed in other sections that you mention above should be moved into the history section. Z1720 (talk) 14:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Z1720: I moved the bit about the seocndary school closing in 95 and the improved commuting generally. I don't think it makes much sense to discuss the history of the ferrys under "history" and then come back to the same topic again later under "transport". Ben MacDui 11:56, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Could we get an update on status here? Nikkimaria (talk) 18:29, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Nikkimaria Not sure what to say - there have been about 60 edits to the article since it was nominated. I have run out of ideas to add anything further and I am not aware of anything that's been requested that has not been addressed one way or another. Ben MacDui 14:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Z1720
[edit]Reviewing this to hopefully get this out of FAR:
- The demographics in the lede, infobox and Demographics section are from 2011. Can these be updated with the latest census data?
- Per the above, the census in Scotland was undertaken in 2022. There is no data yet for the islands – it looks like it may now be 2025 before this is published.
- The "Economy" section uses some citations and information from 2007, when the article first went to FAC. These should be updated with more recent sources to show that the economy remains as described in the text, or updated to reflect more recent trends.
- It is a recurring theme of the review that somehow a small farming community of 300 ought to produce reliable data on a regular basis about such things. It's not really clear to me where this would be obtained. I will take another look at the development trust website.
- "Education and culture" also needs to be updated with the latest figures.
- I note that the primary school now has 23 pupils rather than 26. I'll make the change asap.
- I did a copyedit of the article. Feel free to revert anything, but please note it below.
- I may add back one or two of the bits you removed - e.g. about the unusual field pattern which afaik is unique in Orkney.
Hope this helps. Z1720 (talk) 16:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It does and thanks for this. Replies by Ben MacDui 15:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- All the above now attended to. Ben MacDui 17:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Z1720: ↑ Nikkimaria (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I would argue the original concerns have all been dealt with and references/improvements carried out. I do not think this article should move to FARC now but is now back at FA level again.
- Coldupnorth (talk) 11:51, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Z1720: ↑ Nikkimaria (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Review section
[edit]I am nominating this featured article for review because it is not, in my opinion, at the level that should be expected from an FA. There are several books sources missing, and several that are present are underused. There are almost no academic papers cited, and some events are not covered (including negotiations between the British government and the IRA. I think the only way to raise this up to current FA standards is a complete rewrite, rather than tinkering round the edges. - SchroCat (talk) 18:42, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to FARC: No edits or discussion to address the above concerns. Z1720 (talk) 19:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @FAR coordinators: Apologies, this fell off my radar, but I wanted to have a look at it. I'm not sure that the issues raised, while significant, are completely irresolvable—to the extent of needing "Featured TNT", anyway :) Can I have a couple of days to look it over? ——Serial Number 54129 20:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Well; I can see what TheCat™ was getting at. There's a fair amount missing. This is one of those more unusual articles structurally, in that the focus isn't so much on the strike itself (which would, realistically, make for a very short article) but rather on surrounding people and events. And per SC, negotiations were fundamental. Violence—particularly at funerals—is unmentioned; cultural impact; prisoners comms; the Rawe thesis, while not universally accepted is no longer as fringe as once was and definitely needs coverage. And as noted, some of the sourcing is below par (AP/RN shouldn't be used for anything except for providing material internal to the RM). There's a plethora of images, but there's a fair few whose licencing I wouldn't trust to pass Nikkimaria's beady eye :) It would be cool to get a VOA recording of the news bulletin announcing the strike if one exists. I'll see what can be done, and how much, if any, of this can be dealt addressed without TNT. ——Serial Number 54129 12:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @FAR coordinators: I've added several academic and other HQ sources, removed most of the newspapers—those that remain are of record—and missing aspects covered (mostly what I touch on above, incl. elections, families, violence, negotiations, funerals etc). I've tweaked the table, removed some dodgy licenced images, all the colours pass WCAG AAA. Also, per the concerns raised on the article talk page, everything thing sourceable has been sourced, O'Rawe's position in the scholarship explained (again, see above), and subsequent reactions to him included. If 'someone else can check out the VOA archives, that would be great. ——Serial Number 54129 20:58, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FARC section
[edit]- Sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- SchroCat, have SN's edits addressed your concerns? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Possibly/probably. I'm not an expert on the subject at all, so wouldn't be able to say whether all the relevant sources have been covered, but it's certainly in an immeasurably better state than it was when I tagged it. I'll assume good faith that the coverage of the sources is sufficient, so good work on getting this up to a much higher standard, SN. Some of the obvious gaps that I noticed before have certainly been filled. SN, the only thing you might want to tweak (apart from the couple of tags I've dropped in there), is the alpha order on the sources, particularly around the M's, where it goes a little awry. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 07:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Schro. I had 'boycott' on the tip of my tongue for the last few days but couldn't quite find it :) and done nuts, etc. Sorted the bibliography which certainly was, awry. Thanks all.Possibly not my best piece, but probably the most important. Now I'm shredded; maybe a good point on which to retire. ——Serial Number 54129 15:13, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Possibly/probably. I'm not an expert on the subject at all, so wouldn't be able to say whether all the relevant sources have been covered, but it's certainly in an immeasurably better state than it was when I tagged it. I'll assume good faith that the coverage of the sources is sufficient, so good work on getting this up to a much higher standard, SN. Some of the obvious gaps that I noticed before have certainly been filled. SN, the only thing you might want to tweak (apart from the couple of tags I've dropped in there), is the alpha order on the sources, particularly around the M's, where it goes a little awry. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 07:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Based on the number of sources in this article, it seems like this topic has received a large amount of coverage, and thus it would be difficult to cite every source. Without having much knowledge on this topic and its sources, I think this article has sufficient coverage. If an editor comes along and suggests specific high-quality sources that should be added to the article, then a talk page discussion can start. For now, I think it's ready to keep, and the next step for interested editors is to go through the sources and try to replace news articles with academic sources. Z1720 (talk) 17:47, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to clarify, the old version had 74 references, over 20 of them citing news outlets. The current version has 310 references, citing, err, four news outlets. May I suggest we can skip the next step :) SerialNumber54129 18:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Serial Number 54129: Removing the news sources is not required for me to declare keep. Instead, I think that might be the next step for someone interested in making this article even better. Z1720 (talk) 20:41, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Check! I misunderstood the nature of the comment, apologies. SerialNumber54129 20:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to clarify, the old version had 74 references, over 20 of them citing news outlets. The current version has 310 references, citing, err, four news outlets. May I suggest we can skip the next step :) SerialNumber54129 18:48, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Review section
[edit]I am nominating this featured article for review because the article suffers from a lot of sourcing issues, for example. It is cited as "Wiggins, p. 118" and it is not linked directly to the references at all. It has mostly been using inconclusive sources such as Sunday Mirror, The Stage, and Daily Record. Some sources might be reliable, but the contents are low quality. But sources like this [4] [5] are low quality, and most of them are pretty much dead like ref 3 and other BBC sources (there are other sources that are also dead) + questionable sources such as ref 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 59, 61, 62, 63, 64, 68, 71, 72, 73, 75, 81, 83 (unreliable), 88 and 89. So, this article definitely needs a lot of work in order to survive modern FA criteria. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 11:27, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I agree with this FAR. I recently had to quick fail three GA nominations of characters from this same soap opera (Gray Atkins, Nish Panesar, Ash Panesar) for largely the same reasoning: poor tabloid sourcing. The nominator of those articles seemed convinced tabloids (mostly WP:METRO and WP:DAILYMIRROR) were an appropriate source for soap operas. It would be ideal if a clearer consensus emerged (here or at WP:RSN) on whether certain British tabloids are in fact RSs on soap operas. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 07:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Tbh, the 3 articles you've mentioned are way better than this one (multiple dead citations). Though, sources like Metro is already classified as unrealiable should definitely be removed. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 09:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not sure how helpful the comments from Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d are in this reassessment. I think Boneless Pizza is taking issue with the amount of deadlinks rather than worrying about your own GA quick fails as part of a GAN backlog drive exercise. At a glance, Boneless Pizza highlights an issue with the use of BBC as a primary source numerous times. An issue likely linked to the BBC also producing EastEnders, making it a reliable source, but a primary source. There is an obvious need therefore of more secondary sources. The suggestion we discuss the blanket elimination of tabloid sources in soap opera articles here is preposterous. Successive quick failing three soap opera articles, mentioning them in an unrelated soap opera FAN and subsequently suggesting a RSN does not sound constructive, neutral or helpful. Back to the FAN, the least we can do is check if the deadlinks are archived in the Wayback Machine.Rain the 1 21:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi. I’m not sure why there’s such an aggressive tone in your comment. Among other issues, Boneless Pizza highlighted the fact the article uses numerous low-quality tabloids. I reviewed very similar articles that also used low-quality tabloid sources.
The suggestion we discuss the blanket elimination of tabloid sources in soap opera articles here is preposterous
—-I’m curious who suggested this? It certainly wasn’t me. All I said there should be a clearer consensus on such sources. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]- I disagreed with you. Aggressive is a preconceived notion. You suggested it when you advocated: "It would be ideal if a clearer consensus emerged (here or at WP:RSN)" - Consensus on sources being non-RS leads to deprecation and a subsequent blanket ban follows. This discussion is about Pauline Fowler and Boneless Pizza's concerns.Rain the 1 22:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please don’t misconstrue what I said. A “consensus” on source reliability can have many outcomes: marginal reliability, general reliability, blacklisted, deprecation, etc. I have no dog in this fight. If the community wants to treat these tabloids as reliable that’s perfectly fine by me. If the community wants to deprecate such sources, I am also fine with that. Getting back to the Pauline Fowler article, I share many of Boneless Pizza’s concerns. The article, in its current state, clearly does not meet FA standards. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 00:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, the usage of inconclusive sources seems to be fine at GA articles, as long as the content is not of low quality. But if it is FA, it is not. FA requires high-quality sources (the best examples of FA articles for me are Kes (Star Trek) and Jill Valentine). 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:55, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please don’t misconstrue what I said. A “consensus” on source reliability can have many outcomes: marginal reliability, general reliability, blacklisted, deprecation, etc. I have no dog in this fight. If the community wants to treat these tabloids as reliable that’s perfectly fine by me. If the community wants to deprecate such sources, I am also fine with that. Getting back to the Pauline Fowler article, I share many of Boneless Pizza’s concerns. The article, in its current state, clearly does not meet FA standards. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 00:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagreed with you. Aggressive is a preconceived notion. You suggested it when you advocated: "It would be ideal if a clearer consensus emerged (here or at WP:RSN)" - Consensus on sources being non-RS leads to deprecation and a subsequent blanket ban follows. This discussion is about Pauline Fowler and Boneless Pizza's concerns.Rain the 1 22:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi. I’m not sure why there’s such an aggressive tone in your comment. Among other issues, Boneless Pizza highlighted the fact the article uses numerous low-quality tabloids. I reviewed very similar articles that also used low-quality tabloid sources.
- I am not sure how helpful the comments from Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d are in this reassessment. I think Boneless Pizza is taking issue with the amount of deadlinks rather than worrying about your own GA quick fails as part of a GAN backlog drive exercise. At a glance, Boneless Pizza highlights an issue with the use of BBC as a primary source numerous times. An issue likely linked to the BBC also producing EastEnders, making it a reliable source, but a primary source. There is an obvious need therefore of more secondary sources. The suggestion we discuss the blanket elimination of tabloid sources in soap opera articles here is preposterous. Successive quick failing three soap opera articles, mentioning them in an unrelated soap opera FAN and subsequently suggesting a RSN does not sound constructive, neutral or helpful. Back to the FAN, the least we can do is check if the deadlinks are archived in the Wayback Machine.Rain the 1 21:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Tbh, the 3 articles you've mentioned are way better than this one (multiple dead citations). Though, sources like Metro is already classified as unrealiable should definitely be removed. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 09:38, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to FARC. No motion on the article since it was nominated here, except for a couple of edits three weeks ago, which even then made no substantive changes. ——Serial Number 54129 13:37, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to FARC No recent edits to address issues. I think there is too much in-universe information on the character's actions. Z1720 (talk) 18:02, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FARC section
[edit]- Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and coverage. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:58, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist No recent edits to address concerns. Z1720 (talk) 14:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist original research concerns as well, with "this parallel symbolized" sources only to individual TV episodes. Hog Farm Talk 15:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Review section
[edit]I am nominating this featured article for review because this article is effectively stuck in the early 2000s. While on the surface the prose might seem alright, this article does not feature any updated information about the software after 2011. This is somewhat alarming given that Windows 7, the last version to support this product only reached end-of-life in early 2023. I personally find it very unlikely that there has been zero commentary about the efficacy of this aging solution especially given that Windows 7's reputation for being a malware magnet nowadays.
Keeping that aside, the prose of the article relies very heavily on first-party sourcing in the Licensing and impersonation sections and devotes a dubiously large amount of space to one specific antivirus testing organization in the "Reviews and Awards" section. TLDR, I do not think this article represent's our best work in the security topic-area at this time. Sohom (talk) 13:21, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to FARC: Concerns remain, no significant edits to address concerns. Update banners need to be addressed. Z1720 (talk) 19:03, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Please remove px from the image in §Reviews and awards and observe MOS:IMAGESIZE. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FARC section
[edit]- Issues raised in the review section include currency and sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:56, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist; no attempts at improvement. Ping me if the ball gets rolling. Queen of Hearts talk 04:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist as initial nom, there hasn't been any movement towards fixing my concerns. Sohom (talk) 07:54, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist updates with current events have not taken place. Z1720 (talk) 16:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 5:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC) [7].
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Review section
[edit]Issues of adequacy, detail, sourcing, and consistency with other articles about PowerBook 1XX series were raised two years ago. Since then, edits have been made but did very little to resolve those issues, especially within the last few or several weeks. More work is needed before the article would potentially lose its FA status. George Ho (talk) 08:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Having reviewed my URFA notes and the state of the associated articles, I'm left with the opinion that working on this article and improving it via FAR is a poor use of time; the entire landscape of this and associated articles needs a rethink. I think the best solution is some sort of consolidation: I've gone poking at some of the extant sources from the time and it feels like separating the 100 from at least the other machines in the series is a bad idea since there's a lot of overlap. Right now there's the overarching PowerBook page, the PowerBook 100 series, and then PowerBook 100, PowerBook 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, and 190. I'm not entirely sure if it makes sense to lump this 100 article and what are essentially SKUS released three or four years later into a single PowerBook 100 series article, but most Wikipedia articles on Apple products lump them together in larger categories (such as processor generation) than this. At the very least the 100, 140, and 170 articles, talking about commonly-designed, released, and marketed products, make sense when combined since most of the information on development and marketing would be redundant between them. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 15:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I strongly disagree with the idea of merging any of the PowerBook 100 series articles, especially the PowerBook 100. Not only is it very different from the other 100 series models (it's effecitvely a proto-subnotebook whereas the 140 and 170 are more standard notebook-notebooks), but the 100 in particular has had significant coverage in several hundred reliable sources, with many retrospectives detailing both its influence as well as the tensions between Sony and Apple that this particular model engendered (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6), which this article doesn't even get into. This was very early days for mobile computing, and even seemingly small changes between the different models had ripple effects across the rest of the industry and were discussed widely in not only tech magazines but mainstream newspapers too. Not at all like the ho-hum landscape of today's mobile devices. DigitalIceAge (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FARC section
[edit]- Issues raised in the review section include comprehensiveness and sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 23:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist – Very little or no work done recently. Also, a lot of work to condense or merge many pages into one. —George Ho (talk) 04:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist but reject motion to merge. DigitalIceAge (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Any proposal to merge/not merge should take place outside of this process. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The article was delisted by Casliber via FACBot (talk) 1:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC) [8].
Review section
[edit]This article suffers from a lot of sourcing issues. It really relies mostly upon primary sources for the character's arc, development (some), and personality sections. It feels like the article has some grammar lapses and was tagged by IP for this and needs to be copyedited [9]. The lead also doesn't properly summarize what is in the article, including its impact. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 01:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please remove px from the image and observe MOS:IMAGESIZE. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to FARC I think the prose needs a lot of work, and this hasn't happened yet. Z1720 (talk) 17:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FARC section
[edit]- Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and prose. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist no edits to address concerns. Z1720 (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist - after further reading, I have to agree with the prose concerns. There is a heavy overuse of quotes in this article. Hog Farm Talk 22:59, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:43, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The article was delisted by Casliber via FACBot (talk) 1:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC) [10].
- Notified: Bishonen, WikiProject Arctic, WikiProject Aviation, WikiProject Norway, WikiProject Sweden, WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia, 2023-05-24
Review section
[edit]I am nominating this featured article for review because many paragraphs do not have citations, as well as sentences at the end of paragraphs. Some low-quality sources should be replaced, and new sources mentioned on the talk page or in the "Further reading" section should be explored for its inclusion. Z1720 (talk) 17:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to FARC no engagement, no edits to the article since April. Z1720 (talk) 01:33, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Z1720, it doesn't look like the notifications ever went out on this one. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, not sure what happened. I just sent them out. Z1720 (talk) 02:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Noting that there has still been no progress to address concerns. Z1720 (talk) 17:06, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to FARC; nothing's happening here. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FARC section
[edit]- Sourcing. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:51, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delist Sourcing concerns remain. Z1720 (talk) 02:29, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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