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@4meter4: Rather than slapping 4 tags on the article, would you like to identify problematic sources or remove the inappropriate content? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

It's against AFD policy/procedure to remove material at the time of nomination so that other reviewers can see what sources were in the article at the time of nomination. The tags identify the issues currently with the material being cited. To me it is readily obvious that the majority of the sources in this article do not meet the criteria for sources per policy at WP:Verifiability. I've started an analysis below, which I will add to with a detailed analysis of the references. Best.4meter4 (talk) 19:09, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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Source Significant? Independent? Reliable? Secondary? Pass/Fail Notes
@kornbreadtmfs (January 14, 2022). "🎂• Today I turn 30 years old. 🏳⚧• On this same day last year I started my transition into the amazing woman I am today! I appreciate you all! From friends family and my new family thru @RuPaulsDragRace @WorldOfWonder let's make this year INSANE" (Tweet) – via Twitter. Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN Self reported. People in entertainment are not always reliable about self reporting an accurate age. Also fails per WP:TWITTER. TWITTER should never be used to verify content on wikipedia.
Fernandes, Aurelia (December 29, 2021). "'RuPaul's Drag Race': Meet the drag queens all set to compete in Season 14!". Meaww. Retrieved January 17, 2022. Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN An Indian celebrity news tabloid. Essentially a regurgitated press release from World of Wonder provided to the media. Press releases lack independence per AFD policy. Further MEAWW often publishes stories for pay by the subject of its articles and works as a PR platform for money; thus anything it publishes lacks independene and cannot be considered reliable.
"Meet Kornbread TMF Snack Jeté of Kornbread Jeté". Voyage LA. August 10, 2020. Retrieved January 17, 2022. Green tickY Red XN Green tickY Red XN Red XN As an interview, lacks independence from the subject and should be used with caution as a way of verifying information. For notability purposes, cannot be used as evidence for meeting GNG.
Kornbread Jeté and June Jambalaya: Roscoe's RPDR Season 14 Viewing Party with Batty and Naysha. Chicago, Illinois. January 28, 2022. Event occurs at 45:03. Retrieved January 29, 2022. Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN YouTube can never be used as a source per policy at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources; it's ok to use YouTube as an external link in some instances (see WP:YouTube)
Brown, Kailyn (2022-01-07). "Star Trek Exhibit, Jack Harlow Show, and Other Best Things To Do in L.A. This Weekend". Los Angeles Magazine. Archived from the original on 2022-01-07. Retrieved 2022-01-08. Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN Promotional advertisement for an event. Lacks independence and has limited reliability (only proves a future event was advertised not that it actually occurred; we need an independent review covering the actual event and published after it happended to verify it.)
Sheehan, John Benutty,Paul; Benutty, John; Sheehan, Paul (2022-01-08). "'RuPaul's Drag Race' season 14 episode 1 recap: Which queen is sent packing in 'Big Opening' part one?". GoldDerby. Retrieved 2022-02-06.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Red XN Green tickY Green tickY Red XN This is a routine WP:TABLOID recap of a television episode of Drag Race in which Kornbread was discussed. As a simple recap as opposed to a critical review, I would consider this closer to a primary source rather than a true secondary source. It can verify content about this episode of show and her involvement, but it lacks significance due to WP:ROUTINE and WP:NOTNEWS for the purposes of evaluating WP:GNG. )
Nolfi, Joey (January 7, 2022). "The best moments from the 'RuPaul's Drag Race' season 14 premiere". Entertainment Weekly. Retrieved 2022-01-08.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) Red XN Green tickY Green tickY Green tickY Red XN This is a routine news recap of a television episode of Drag Race in which Kornbread was named as a highlight. This is approaching a positive critical review, but it's such a short article and lacks any significant analysis of Kornbread and her drag (merely stating what she did and not really analyzing why it worked and why it made an impact) that it's not really what I would consider a "review" but a PR puff piece for the TV show. In other words, it's a thinly written news story and therefore lacks significance for GNG purposes.)
"This 'Drag Race' Season 14 Queen Just Pulled Out of the Competition". www.out.com. 2022-02-04. Retrieved 2022-02-05. Green tickY Green tickY Green tickY Off all the sources in the article, this is the best one. It's independent and Kornbread is the main subject. But is it really significant? A drag contestant getting injured early in the season and having to withdraw does not leave much of a legacy. Certainly, nothing here that shows Kornbread is significant outside of the reality competition and deserves a stand alone encyclopedia article separate from the article on the television series.
"Login • Instagram". www.instagram.com. Retrieved 2022-01-25. {{cite web}}: Cite uses generic title (help) Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN A link to the generic login page of instagram. This doesn't verify anything, including the content that it claims to verify where it is cited in the article.
"Kerri Colby and Kornbread Jeté Are Making Trans "Drag Race" History". them. 2022-01-05. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-08. Red XN Green tickY Green tickY Green tickY Red XN Promotional article for upcoming 14th season (now airing) of RuPaul's Drag Race. Essentially boils down to highlighting that this is the first season of Drag Race with multiple trans constestants. Given that there have been many trans queens now on the show in past seasons, this seems to be more of a pertinent fact for the article on this individual season of the show as opposed to providing any significant coverage or notability on Kornbread as a drag artist. What did we learn about her other than she is trans, a drag queen, and from L.A. who is competing on the show? Nothing.
Holmes, Juwan J. "RuPaul's Drag Race will have two trans competitors & a cis straight queen for first time". LGBTQ Nation. Archived from the original on 2022-01-03. Retrieved 2022-01-08. Red XN Green tickY Green tickY Green tickY Red XN This is the second promotional article focusing on the casting of two trans women for the currently airing season (but published before it aired to promote the show) of Drag Race. Again, this doesn't show significant cover of Kornbread Jeté, but significant coverage of RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14).
"'Drag Race' Season 14 Queens Say It's Going to Be 'Transtastic'". www.advocate.com. 2022-01-05. Archived from the original on 2022-01-06. Retrieved 2022-01-08. Red XN Red XN Green tickY Green tickY Red XN This is the third article focusing on the casting of two trans women for the currently airing season of Drag Race. Again, this doesn't show significant cover of Kornbread Jeté, but significant coverage of RuPaul's Drag Race (season 14). Also lacks independence as an interview.
Currinn, Jonathon. "WATCH: Kameron Michaels Has Released Debut Music Video "Freedom"". Celeb Mix. Retrieved January 17, 2022. Red XN Green tickY Green tickY Green tickY Red XN Brief name drop of Kornbread in a long list of drag queens who appeared in this music video. Nothing signficant for GNG purposes.
Scarlet Envy- Is It Me? (Official Music Video). Scarlet Envy. September 2, 2021. Retrieved January 17, 2022. Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN ANother YouTube video; primary source. Not usable on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources.
Orville Peck - C'mon Baby, Cry (Official Video). Orville Peck. February 10, 2022. Retrieved February 16, 2022. Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN ANother YouTube video; primary source. Not usable on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources.
Spectrum]. Jubilee. July 26, 2019. Retrieved January 17, 2022. Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN Red XN ANother YouTube video; primary source. Not usable on wikipedia per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources.
Total qualifying sources 0
There must be multiple qualifying sources to meet the notability requirements
You say problematic content and sourcing should not be removed from an article during AfD, which seems silly to be because AfD is for assessing total coverage of a topic, not only the sources currently used as inline citations. I don't see harm in removing bad content during AfD, but I'll assume you understand the process and rules better than me. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:34, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
@Another Believer, you misunderstood what I said. I said at the time of nomination sources shouldn't be removed. Its tabboo/against community practice at AFD for the nominator to remove material. I work regularly at AFD as a reviewer. When nominators remove content prior or at the time of nomination, it has caused drama as people have accused nominators of removing valuable material to influence the AFD outcomes. As such, community practice at AFD among regular participants if for nominators to not remove content. Other editors can remove material. As the nominator I should place tags but not remove sources as best practice for AFD implementation. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
I understand. Thanks for clarifying. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:54, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
@4meter4 The page survived AfD. I'd invite you to remove inappropriately sourced content, if you're willing and interested. Perhaps then a couple of the tags could be removed? ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
I renominated it as the keep arguments did not address concerns about WP:BLP1E and the closer did not properly weigh the strength of the arguments in their close per WP:NOTAVOTE. In my opinion it should have not been closed as no consensus; particularly with their being a very poorly argued keep rationale. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
@4meter4 The article has survived AfD again. I'd invite you, again, to remove problematic content and sources to improve the entry, if you wish. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:31, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for revisiting, improving content, and removing tags! ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
No problem. That's what we are all here to do; improve the encyclopedia.4meter4 (talk) 16:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

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Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

Kornbread appeared on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen recently. Worth adding if sourcing is available. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:46, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Has been added to table. Archiving ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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