Talk:Quick Call Stakes
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Off the turf
[edit]@Brudder Andrusha Hi, is there an editing standard among stakes articles regarding the listing of winning margins for stakes races that are rained off the turf? Just doesn't seem fair to prominently list bigger winning margins for what is primarily a grass race. JRHorse (talk) 12:16, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- There isn't a standard that is enforced but there are a couple of things to consider. If a reference is needed for the largest margin - there is one available from Equibase in the profile of the event - and for this event a new mark was set on July 16, 2023. Equibase only sources data from 1976. So Secretariat's record margin in the Belmont Stakes in not shown. Also racing club administrators change distances of events from time so margins and recorded times would also be affected. But we don't record margins only times (if there are sufficient running to warrant an entry or a track record). I think your entry is worthwhile in the article that the margin is difference depending on the surface. The reference from the event result IMO is sufficient. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 19:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Your points taken, I still think that because the race is originally intended to be run on the grass, the turf margin of victory should be listed more prominently. Perhaps something like:
- Margins:
- Turf: 3+3⁄4 lengths - Central Banker (2013)
- Dirt: 5+1⁄2 lengths - Uncashed (2023)
- JRHorse (talk) 00:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- There isn't a standard that is enforced but there are a couple of things to consider. If a reference is needed for the largest margin - there is one available from Equibase in the profile of the event - and for this event a new mark was set on July 16, 2023. Equibase only sources data from 1976. So Secretariat's record margin in the Belmont Stakes in not shown. Also racing club administrators change distances of events from time so margins and recorded times would also be affected. But we don't record margins only times (if there are sufficient running to warrant an entry or a track record). I think your entry is worthwhile in the article that the margin is difference depending on the surface. The reference from the event result IMO is sufficient. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 19:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- My only concern is if you use this format then theoretically all graded turf events that have been run "off turf" should also have this information. According to TOBA there is 189 scheduled such events for 2023. Historically, also there are previously Graded turf events that are now ungraded would also come under this focus as well. Brudder Andrusha (talk) 06:11, 18 July 2023 (UTC)