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Non-neutral editing

In recent weeks, two different IP accounts have removed good faith edits to this article in what appears to be an attempt to remove content that may appear negative and add positive content. I appeal to the editor or editors to create a Wikipedia account where it will be easier to reach a consensus for the content of this article. I also appeal for that editor or editors to read the policy on biographical articles at WP:BLP Seaweed (talk) 19:23, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

COI requests March 2023

It is requested that an edit be made to the semi-protected article at A. (edit · history · last · links · protection log)

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Could these changes be considered? Thank you! Forrestal962 (talk) 22:20, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: need to adjust requests for accuracy, temporarily removing. Sorry for any confusion. Forrestal962 (talk) 01:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just added back, it should be more clear now. Forrestal962 (talk) 22:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request 1 - The Times

Could this detail ("In 2018 [[The Times]] in incorrectly reported that Delo had been included in the [[Sunday Times Rich List]] for that year following ruling by [[Independent Press Standards Organisation]].") be altered? It currently seems to be an un-encyclopedic synthesis of two unrelated sources (Times in 2018 & 2020 IPSO complaint), and also without context.

For context, could this detail be added to the front of the sentence, to clarify his billionaire status in 2018 wasn't incorrectly reported, only his inclusion in the list?

In 2018, ''The Times'' reported that Delo was the United Kingdom's youngest self-made billionaire.</ref>https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wheres-wallet-can-you-spot-ben-delo-the-uks-first-bitcoin-billionaire-llp2fk2rt</ref>

About the rest, I would like to request the retraction detail be removed entirely (for being a bit silly and trivial I think, and also for being sourced from a government complaint entry instead of a newspaper article). It also appears to be in error as is, since the IPSO complaint details the 2020 article "Bitcoin tycoon’s £5m gift gives Oxford the jitters" as the one with the redaction, not the 2018 article actually linked and referenced right now. Also, the IPSO article notes that the 2020 redaction was done preemptively by The Times before the IPSO complaint was filed in 2020 for other reasons.

But if the responder feels the info should stay, have it at least rewritten for clarity and accuracy?

In 2018, ''The Times'' reported that Delo was the United Kingdom's youngest self-made billionaire.<ref>{{cite news |url=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wheres-wallet-can-you-spot-ben-delo-the-uks-first-bitcoin-billionaire-llp2fk2rt |title= Where's Wallet? Can you spot Ben Delo, the UK's first bitcoin billionaire? |date= 1 July 2018 |work= [[The Times]] |last=Urwin |first=Rosamund}}</ref> As noted in a 2020 [[Independent Press Standards Organisation|IPSO]] complaint, ''The Times'' removed a reference that he had been included in the 2018 [[Sunday Times Rich List]].<ref>{{cite web |url=https://www.ipso.co.uk/rulings-and-resolution-statements/ruling/?id=29243-20 |title=Resolution Statement – 29243-20 Delo v The Times |publisher=Independent Press Standards Organisation |date=29 March 2021 |accessdate=17 December 2022}}</ref>

Request 2 - Descriptors

Could "philanthropist" be added to the infobox's "occupation" row to better reflect the page?

Also, could "philanthropist" be added to the descriptors in the page's first sentence?

Could "mathematician" also be added to the lead sentence (it's already in the infobox)? Concerning whether to use "former," note that he has fairly recently published work in mathematics (source).

Request 3 - Mersenne Prime

I'm sorry there aren't many newspaper sources, but could it be mentioned he's associated with the GIMPS project? Maybe this could be added?

Delo is associated with Mersenne.org and the [[Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search]], a collaborative internet project to find [[Mersenne prime]] numbers.<ref>https://www.mersenne.org/report_top_500_custom/?type=2000&start_date=2000-01-06</ref>

Thank you! Forrestal962 (talk) 22:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done PK650 (talk) 00:53, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

April 2023 requests

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Could these requests be considered? Forrestal962 (talk) 18:13, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Plurality of violations

In the lead paragraph, can "pled guilty to United States Bank Secrecy Act violations" be modified to "pled guilty to a single United States Bank Secrecy Act violation"? As to the reason why, the Justice Department doc used as reference lower on the page states that "Hayes... and Delo... pled guilty to one count each of violating the Bank Secrecy Act." The CFTC doc also linked on the page describes it as a single count as well, making the plural violations inaccurate.

With the same rationale, could the wording be changed in the lower part of the page from "Delo and his BitMEX cofounder had pled guilty to Bank Secrecy Act violations" to "Delo and his BitMEX cofounder had pled guilty to one Bank Secrecy Act violation each"?

Inaccurate sentence in lead

In the lead paragraph, can "and a $10m fine." be removed? To explain, the civil monetary penalty was unrelated to the Bank Secrecy Act violation, occurring as part of a separate civil case a month earlier (see the Bank Secrecy Act violations section). Being even a little inaccurate like it is and a sensitive detail, it would be preferable to have it promptly removed per WP:BLPREMOVE and also maybe per WP:BALANCE (in the latter case, as a temporary means of balancing the page, since so much of both the lead and page body right now are so focused on the legal matters at the moment, comparative to general career stuff or inventions/cultural impact).

Done With a few minor copyedits — SamX [talk · contribs · he/him] 04:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much ^_^ Forrestal962 (talk) 14:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request May 2023

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Thank you for responding to the prior requests, I appreciate the attention to the matter. I had two more I was hoping to have considered by the community as well as well. Forrestal962 (talk) 14:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New content

Possible to add new content?

In April 2023, Delo funded a scholarship program at The International School for Government at [[King’s College London]], which provides [[Commonwealth_of_Nations|Commonwealth]] civil servants with access to accredited post-graduate courses on policymaking and governance.<ref>https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/new-scholarship-programme-for-commonwealth-civil-servants-launched</ref>

Delo has been credited with inventing the [[Perpetual futures|perpetual swap]] in 2016, which has become "hugely popular in the highly parochial world of crypto trading due to the way it allows speculators to take synthetic positions that avoid the risk, cost and friction associated with having to move or manage actual cryptocurrency." In August 2022, Izabella Kaminska at ''[[Bloomberg]]'' described Delo as "the BitMEX co-founder most responsible for the perpetual swap’s invention."<ref>https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-08-31/perpetual-futures-are-the-crypto-innovation-finance-needs-to-manage-inflation?leadSource=uverify%20wall</ref>

Bank Secrecy Act Violations Heading

Concerning the "Bank Secrecy Act violations" section, the heading is loaded in connotation, inaccurate in that it uses the plural for violations instead of the singular (see prior request), and also it seems to violate WP:CSECTION, which recommends against sections entirely dedicated to controversies. Could the heading be changed perhaps to "Legal matters" please?

Not done for now: I've changed Bank Secrecy Act violations to Bank Secrecy Act violation in the header, but haven't made any other changes. The intent of WP:CSECTION is to prevent catch-all sections that function as dumping grounds for negative aspects of an article's topic. Per the policy page, titles should simply name the event, for example, "2009 boycott" or "Hunting incident". For example, the article Prince Andrew, Duke of York has an entire section titled Allegations of sexual abuse. Since the primary focus of the section in question is Delo's Bank Secrecy Act violation, the section title is perfectly acceptable. If he were to become involved in an unrelated legal issue such as a lawsuit or separate criminal charge, Legal issues would be a more appropriate section title.

I haven't added the new content (for the time being) because of sourcing issues. The source you provided for the KCL scholarship is self-published by the King's College of London, and therefore would not be considered reliable. If you can find an independent, reliable source that covers the scholarship, such as an article in The Wall Street Journal, I'd be happy to add it. The source you've provided for the claim that Delo invented the perpetual swap is an opinion piece, and is therefore subject to WP:RSOPINION. Indeed, the article perpetual futures attributes their invention to Robert Shiller.^[1] Given this, the claim that Delo invented perpetual futures seems tenuous at best. If you can find a reliable source that details innovations he made with that practice, then it would be suitable for inclusion in the article. SamX (talk) 04:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Shiller, Robert J. (July 1993). "Measuring Asset Values for Cash Settlement in Derivative Markets: Hedonic Repeated Measures Indices and Perpetual Futures". Journal of Finance. 48 (3): 911–931. Retrieved 6 May 2023. {{cite journal}}: Text "publisher American Finance Association" ignored (help)

[1] Shiller, Robert J. (July 1993). "Measuring Asset Values for Cash Settlement in Derivative Markets: Hedonic Repeated Measures Indices and Perpetual Futures". Journal of Finance. 48 (3): 911–931. Retrieved 6 May 2023. {{cite journal}}: Text "publisher American Finance Association" ignored (help)

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