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February 22

Category:People by city or town

Propose renaming

Category:People by city or town in Abkhazia to Category:People by populated place in Abkhazia
Category:People by city or town in Australia to Category:People by populated place in Australia

Category:People by city or town in New South Wales to Category:People by populated place in New South Wales
Category:People by city or town in the Northern Territory to Category:People by populated place in the Northern Territory
Category:People by city or town in Queensland to Category:People by populated place in Queensland
Category:People by city or town in South Australia to Category:People by populated place in South Australia
Category:People by city or town in Tasmania to Category:People by populated place in Tasmania
Category:People by city or town in Victoria (Australia) to Category:People by populated place in Victoria (Australia)
Category:People by city or town in Western Australia to Category:People by populated place in Western Australia

About 94 more categories

Category:People by city or town in Canada by province or territory to Category:People by populated place in Canada by province or territory

Category:People by city or town in Northern Ireland to Category:People by populated place in Northern Ireland

Category:People by city or town in the Republic of Ireland to Category:People by populated place in the Republic of Ireland

Category:People by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:People by populated place in the United Kingdom

Nominator's rationale: Follows precedent of renaming similarly named categories. It's more consistent to use populated place to cover city, town, village, etc. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant history:

@Aidan721: please link to those other discussions. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:02, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Linked above now. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:11, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why populated, surely that’s a redundancy for a start. I think city or town is a useful disambiguation Kingbird1 (talk) 18:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As put by The Grid in a prior linked discussion above: "We have the formal definition of a populated place from USGS: Cities, towns and other entities with human habitation are classified as populated places in the context of the BGN and GNIS." –Aidan721 (talk) 18:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Context is important here as it was pertaining to the United States. – The Grid (talk) 19:14, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We use Populated place across all countries on WP. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:15, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do we? The wiki article is called Human Settlement. TBH populated place sounds like an Americanism? If not why have the Human Settlement page renamed to Populated Place? Kingbird1 (talk) 13:57, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1 and 2 were European and Middle Eastern, where this discussion started 2 years ago.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Marcocapelle, Gidonb, Peterkingiron, Grutness, Rathfelder, Johnpacklambert, Gonnym, UnitedStatesian, Fayenatic london, William Allen Simpson, and The Grid: participants of prior discussions— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidan721 (talk • contribs) 2023-02-22 18:19:16 (UTC)

@Marcocapelle, Gidonb, Peterkingiron, Grutness, Gonnym, UnitedStatesian, and Fayenatic london: again, only those who are not banned and have not yet responded. Ping requires signature, so it didn't work the first time.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:41, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support — community consistency per previous discussions. (Pining for the days there were many eyes on categories.)
William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:46, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support - long overdue. Grutness...wha? 04:48, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support this taxonomically sound solution. gidonb (talk) 05:19, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Seems the entire tree is going this way step by step so might as well make it consistent. Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support though I'm not much of a fan of "populated place" (when I first hear it about 10 years ago I assumed it referred to suburbs) but it is consistent with other categories and the fact there are villages, hamlets and suburbs as opposed to just cities and towns. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per all above, per consistency, and I share Crouch, Swale's sentiment about "populated place" but it is what it is, and it doesn't exlude human settlements that are something other than a city or a town; good enough. —Alalch E. 22:27, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Estonian cannibals

Propose merging Category:Estonian cannibals to Category:Estonian criminals
Propose merging Category:Finnish cannibals to Category:Finnish criminals

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Sole article to be upmerged to parent category/categories (id est: Category:Estonian criminals and Category:Cannibals) Estopedist1 (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dual merge per nom. Many sibling categories may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People by city or town in Barbados

Propose merging Category:People by city or town in Barbados to Category:Barbadian people
Propose merging Category:People by city or town in Suriname to Category:Surinamese people

Nominator's rationale: One sub-cat. Unnecessary category layer. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This may be regarded as a case of the "smallcat exception rule". Marcocapelle (talk) 18:33, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the Surinamese one - now several subcategories. Merge the Barbadian one - people seem to be meainly split by parish rather than town Grutness...wha? 12:56, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator note: If any of these are kept and the discussion #Category:People by city or town results in a rename, then these articles should be renamed to Category:People by populated place in FOO. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd definitely support that. Grutness...wha? 01:39, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People by city or town in Falkland Islands

Propose merging Category:People from Chartres, Falkland Islands to Category:Falkland Islands people
Propose merging Category:People from Hill Cove to Category:Falkland Islands people
Propose merging Category:People by city or town in Falkland Islands to Category:Falkland Islands people

Nominator's rationale: Manually merge all per WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:48, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, but the first two categories can simply be deleted: both articles already are in Category:Falkland Islands farmers. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. Grutness...wha? 01:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People by city or town in Anguilla

Propose merging Category:People from Blowing Point, Anguilla to Category:Anguillan people
Propose merging Category:People from Island Harbour, Anguilla to Category:Anguillan people
Propose merging Category:People from North Hill, Anguilla to Category:Anguillan people
Propose merging Category:People from Sandy Ground, Anguilla to Category:Anguillan people
Propose merging Category:People from Sandy Hill, Anguilla to Category:Anguillan people
Propose merging Category:People from The Farrington to Category:Anguillan people
Propose merging Category:People by city or town in Anguilla to Category:Anguillan people

Nominator's rationale: Manually merge all per WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:43, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, but the categories (except the last one) can simply be deleted: the articles already are in the tree of Category:Anguillan people by occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep to the Island Harbour category (which has four articles and may be undersorted) and the last one (as it would have two subcategories); merge the rest per nom. Grutness...wha? 12:19, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator note: If Category:People by city or town in Anguilla is kept and the discussion #Category:People by city or town results in a rename, then it should be renamed to Category:People by populated place in Anguilla. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd definitely support that. Grutness...wha? 01:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Musicians from Prizren

Propose merging Category:Musicians from Prizren to Category:People from Prizren
Propose merging Category:Politicians from Prizren to Category:People from Prizren
Propose merging Category:Sportspeople from Prizren to Category:People from Prizren
Propose deleting Category:People from Prizren by occupation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:41, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all PetScan shows 25 articles belong in sportspeople, 5 in musicians, and 6 in sportspeople. More broadly, most cities with 177,000 residents have significant potential for growth in these categories.--User:Namiba 18:07, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please populate the categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep to the sportspeople one, which is well populated. Weak keep to the other two iff they can be populated. Grutness...wha? 11:37, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. All have one article. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:20, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge rather than delete, e.g. to ~~Category:Sport in Ecuador and~~ Category:Baseball in South America. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:47, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Articles are already in Category:National sports teams of Ecuador, etc. but merge to Category:Baseball in South America, etc. I'm fine with. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:50, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baseball venues in Colombia

Propose merging Category:Baseball venues in Colombia to Category:Baseball in Colombia, Category:Sports venues in Colombia and Category:Baseball venues in South America

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Only 2 articles. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:17, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:49, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Baseball venues in Saskatchewan

Propose merging Category:Baseball venues in Saskatchewan to Category:Baseball venues in Canada and Category:Sports venues in Saskatchewan and Category:Baseball in Saskatchewan
Propose merging Category:Baseball venues in Manitoba to Category:Baseball venues in Canada and Category:Sports venues in Manitoba and Category:Baseball in Manitoba

Nominator's rationale: Full upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT. –Aidan721 (talk) 14:13, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as both have a "realistic potential for growth" and thus fail WP:SMALLCAT.--User:Namiba 17:47, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How realistic is realistic? New sports venues are not built regularly. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Swedish women's history

Propose merging Category:Swedish women's history to Category:History of women in Sweden
Propose merging Category:Danish women's history to Category:History of women in Denmark

Nominator's rationale: I am not native English speaker, but I don't perceive difference. If there is difference it should be mentioned at category's header Estopedist1 (talk) 13:23, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support - you might wish to add Category:Sri Lankan women's history. Oculi (talk) 15:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done below. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Sri Lankan women's history to Category:History of women in Sri Lanka.

Category:Estonian government officials

Propose deleting Category:Estonian government officials (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Sole article is already properly categorized to Category:Estonian civil servants. In addition: unique category name in Baltoscandinavia countries categories Estopedist1 (talk) 08:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't the whole trees of Category:Government officials and Category:Civil servants strongly overlapping? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Icelandic superheroes

Propose merging Category:Icelandic superheroes to Category:Fictional Icelandic people

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Sole article to be upmerged to parent category/categories (id est: Category:Fictional Icelandic people, Category:European superheroes) Estopedist1 (talk) 08:27, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The category has been emptied. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:57, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Icelandic psychics

Propose merging Category:Icelandic psychics to Category:Icelandic people

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Sole article to be upmerged to parent category/categories (id est: Category:Icelandic people, Category:Psychics) Estopedist1 (talk) 08:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support but only merge to Category:Psychics. The article is already in subcategories of Category:Icelandic people. A number of sibling categories may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Icelandic landlords

Propose merging Category:Icelandic landlords to Category:Icelandic people

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Sole article to be upmerged to parent category/categories (id est: Category:Icelandic people, Category:Landlords) Estopedist1 (talk) 08:25, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support but only merge to Category:Landlords. The article is already in another subcategory of Category:Icelandic people. A number of sibling categories may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Estopedist1: please bundle nominations for multiple countries together. It is very inefficient to discuss one country at a time. See my comments in your previous nominations. Also, please add all merge targets in the first line of your nomination. By including them in the rationale, as you do now, you just make it harder for anyone to close the discussion. Check how other editors do this. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: thanks! I focus only on Baltoscandinavia countries (8 countries in total) when doing bunch merging/deleting. It would be very time-consuming to nominate e.g. 30 countries categories with 1 article Estopedist1 (talk) 08:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bird observatories in Norway

Propose merging Category:Bird observatories in Norway to Category:Birdwatching sites in Norway

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Sole article to be upmerged to parent category/categories (id est: Category:Birdwatching sites in Norway, Category:Bird observatories and Category:Ornithology in Norway and Category:Environmental education by region). Estopedist1 (talk) 07:15, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, but to Category:Birdwatching sites in Norway and Category:Bird observatories only. Category:Ornithology in Norway and Category:Environmental education are parent categories of the former. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:29, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Estonian educational websites

Propose merging Category:Estonian educational websites to Category:Estonian websites
Propose merging Category:Latvian educational websites to Category:Latvian websites

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Sole article to be upmerged to parent category/categories (id est: Category:Estonian websites and Category:Educational websites and Category:Education in Estonia). Estopedist1 (talk) 06:55, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the Latvian category needs other targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Places named Eva

Propose deleting Category:Places named Eva (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: A trivial intersection, redundant to a disambiguation page. Does not exist for much more well-known cases. CMD (talk) 03:00, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete junk created by an annoying user who likes to create junk for others to clean up. Dronebogus (talk) 07:19, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, obvious case of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep: The reason i created it was for anyone who likes places named eva and in contribution for my sister eva. It was NOT created as "junk".~~ Widget-Policy Thy Editor (talk) 18:53, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That has no encyclopedic value whatsoever. "Junk" is a fairly reasonable description. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:50, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Marcocapelle. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:54, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — see also Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Places Named Eva.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:06, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Useless category, apparent trolling. Creator is a suspected sockmaster who has been disruptively creating blatantly frivolous content; see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Widget-policyq229 silvia (BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 05:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per others. —Alalch E. 22:30, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Eva-cuate Wikipedia from such nonsense. gidonb (talk) 00:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Same reason as Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Places Named Eva Pizzaplayer219^Talk_Contribs 00:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, WP:SHAREDNAME violation. Bearcat (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for all of the reasons stated above. Is it snowing yet? LadyofShalott 00:41, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]