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The article was archived by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 24 August 2021 [1].

Aliens (film)

Nominator(s): Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 15:25, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the 1986 seminal action horror film Aliens. It defined action films that came after and elevated Cameron to top tier director who would go on to make Terminator 2, one of the other greatest sequels of all time. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 15:25, 28 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from mgiganteus1

The image of the alien queen (File:Queen Alien.jpg) is incorrectly licensed. It cannot be free use as the creature design itself is protected. If an image is to be included it would have to be fair use (we already have File:Alien (1986) - Alien queen.jpg, which used to be in this article). mgiganteus1 (talk) 03:58, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've switched the image, though if that is the case, uploading the former as NFC seems better than retaining the latter. The latter image is really poor quality and has little detail on it. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 15:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Surely a still from the film should trump a random photo of a promotional mockup? Fair use images up to 100,000 pixels are generally permitted. File:Alien (1986) - Alien queen.jpg is 55,500 pixels, so a slightly larger version could be uploaded, but bear in mind that the low resolution is required to meet the non-free content criteria. You would not be able to use File:Queen Alien.jpg at its current resolution under fair use. mgiganteus1 (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally, a clear image of the puppet is going to trump anything. I'll leave the screenshot but I'm gonna look if there are any good behind-the-scenes photos that show it off in detail. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 23:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That would work! mgiganteus1 (talk) 01:22, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To meet the "well-researched" criterion I would expect this article to have a generous sprinkling of citations to J. W. Rinzler's excellent The Making of Aliens and probably also to Alien: The Archive. mgiganteus1 (talk) 18:54, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I can't access books like that without buying them, but I would be surprised if there is information in the book that is not in the article short of technical minutiae, there's 256 references in the article.

Have you checked if it's available through interlibrary loan? To meet the FA criteria I really think the article should cite what is arguably the definitive book on the subject. mgiganteus1 (talk) 19:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not available, I can't meet that demand, but this article is sourced thoroughly. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 19:28, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from HAL

Maybe link Alien (creature in Alien franchise) in the lead.
Nitpicky, but "advocated for" is not used correctly. Reword
Why is the theatrical gross a range?

More to come. Love that somebody gave this article some attention. ~ HAL333 19:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The gross is a range because the two major sites, Box Office Mojo and the Numbers, post wildly different international figures. It's really difficult to get proper info on films from that time period. Some don't have international figures available at all. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 23:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, okay. ~ HAL333 01:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hola HAL333, you still around?Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 16:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

in an escape shuttle Subtle, but should it be "on an escape shuttle"?
Mention that Sulaco is from Conrad's Nostromo. (At least in a note.)
Similarly, is the origin of "Hadley's Hope" known?
At the center of the station --> "At the station's center" More concise.
Maybe link "infant alien" to "chestburster"
Maybe change intending to profit by recovering them for biological weapon research --> "intending recover them for biological weapon research" or "intending recover them for profitable biological weapon research" The chronology would be recover and then research and profit. Sorry to be nitpicky.
Maybe link "queen" to Alien (creature in Alien franchise)#Queen
In the "Cast" section, maybe switch out one use of "played" with a "portrayed" to decrease repetition.

Sorry about my tardiness. Swamped with work in real life. More comments later. ~ HAL333 01:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator note

This has been open for more than two weeks and has yet to pick up a support. Unless it attracts considerable further attention by the three week mark I am afraid that it will have to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 02:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Past the three week mark with no supports and despite a reasonable amount of attention on sign of a consensus to support. This needs to change in the very near future if this nomination is not to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly four weeks and no hint of a consensus to promote, so I am regretfully archiving this. The usual four-week hiatus will apply before any further FAC nominations can be made. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:50, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from Jarodalien

Comment: Another Darkwarriorblake's masterpiece, another extremely long article that I have to translate (sad face)... Generally I'm going to support, here's a little suggestion: no need to link something like "location=United States", "location=Austin, Texas", "location=London", also names for publishers, publications, locations, website etc. should link one time at most, such a lot of links make people's eye tired. --Jarodalien (talk) 07:09, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jarodalien, with references we're meant to link every time because refs get moved around a lot and so the "first" reference might not be the linked one and then you need to fix that every time. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 20:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't fell the "first" really matters as they all crowed in References section, so we have Empire (film magazine) for around like a dozen time, eight The New York Times', nine Entertainment Weeklys, even six Stan Winstons etc. How about "location=United States", "location=Austin, Texas", "location=London", especially the first really isn't helpful, fell like if I don't know where that publisher is maybe just "location=earth".--Jarodalien (talk) 02:42, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I get your point, it's just how the Manual of Style guidelines are written. The United States as a location is normally one I can't help because the headquarters will literally just say "United States". I've done some more google-fu and gotten more precise locations for the ones that just say United States. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 22:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Funk

I'll have a look soon, wanted to review earlier, but forgot to. We don't want a "game over, man" situation for this one! FunkMonk (talk) 19:11, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Hadleys Hope" should be " Hadley's Hope"?
"sacrifice themselves to stall the horde" This seems like interpretation. All we see is them blowing themselves up to not get caught.
It seems pretty important for character development in the plot that Ripley initially distrusts Bishop due to what happened with the android in the first film, only for Bishop to gain her trust later and "prove himself", but this appears to be missing from the article.
Character names could be linked at first mention in the article body and in image captions.

Done except for the Bishop thing. It's an important character beat within the film itself, I'm not sure it's important for understanding the plot though. You'd have to intentionally mention the dropship not initially being there to pick up Ripley for it to mean anything. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 22:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I should return for a renomination, unless some more reviewers come around, my review will probably not make a difference. As for Bishop, while I don't think it's necessary to mention in the plot synopsis, there must be enough info about this for the themes section? Google scholar gives some interesting results, most of which you could get through WP:RX:[2] FunkMonk (talk) 01:54, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I've given up on this nomination, I'm surprised it didn't generate more interest. I did find references on Bishop but given the article length, it seemed more appropriate for them to go in his article. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 17:43, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Darkwarriorblake, if you renominate, I'll try hard to jump in early in the next nomination. I'm a fan of this movie, like Raiders of the Lost Ark. I held off reviewing this time due to the length of the article, but skimming it now, the prose seems very readable, which makes me optimistic I won't have so many comments on the flow of the prose itself, and hopefully reviewing this will be manageable. Being just before the start of the work week, I unfortunately don't think I could get very far in the next several days in the current nomination, so like Funk says, it might make more sense for me to throw my efforts in early in the next one. Cheers, Moisejp (talk) 03:18, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers Moisejp, I think I'm going to nominate Ghostbusters next just to try and get it done before the third film comes out, then I'll come back to Aliens. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 08:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, sorry I wasn't more on the ball this time. I may not participate in Ghostbusters, but I will try to read through Aliens a few times, become familiar with it, and think about any possible issues in preparation for your next nomination of it. Cheers, Moisejp (talk) 14:48, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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