Talk:The Abbey, Sutton Courtenay/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: CaroleHenson (talk · contribs) 23:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I am looking forward to performing a review of this article. I see here that this article failed its first GA review, but I also see that the copyvio report is down to the 11% range, where the hits are titles (i.e., I am not seeing an issue). In addition, maintenance tags have been addressed, so I am very hopeful.

My approach is to review each section, make minor edits as I go along (links, punctuation, etc.) to save us both time and effort, and then assess the article against GA criteria. Feel free to revert edits that I make if you disagree.–CaroleHenson (talk) 23:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

General comments

• Please scan the article for places where there are no citations at the end of the paragraph - and add relevant citations for the sentence(s) that are uncited.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Introduction and infobox

• The infobox looks good.
• The introduction contains citations throughout, when per MOS:LEADCITE, to avoid redundant citations for content already covered and cite in the article - only claims or content subject to queries should be cited. Personally, I don't have a problem with it, but I am calling it out because others may say something about this.
• The content looks good! I don't have any edits, but may return to this section after completing the rest of the article.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Buildings

• Citations are needed for content in the 1st and 4th paragraph.
• I am probably going to find this out shortly, but does The oldest still surviving parts of The Abbey are the north and west ranges, mean that the south and east ranges are not surviving?

I think I got tripped up by the "still surviving" part. Is that necessary?–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• I don't quite understand Nineteenth-century accounts of the site show many inaccuracies.[4] in the fourth paragraph. Is the point that the sentences that follow are not accurate? Or just Parker also published a plan, but this was inaccurate in detail.[4]?

I guess I am just generally wondering why call out inaccurate portrayals? (not that there aren't valid reasons for doing so, I'm just not getting it - or how much of the 4th paragraph is inaccurate.)

• Would it make sense to move the paragraph about the guest house to be the 4th paragraph, since the rest of this section is about the ranges and the past?
• I made a minor edit here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

West range

• As I read this section, I am assuming that the West range is the yellow part of the "A plan of the main building (ground floor)" diagram in the Buildings section. Is that right?
• I am confused by Its timber-framed north wall is also the south wall of the great hall. From the diagram in the previous section, it looks as if the north wall of the great hall is the north wall of the West range. (the wall between the parlour and the great hall).
• Where are the northern doorway and southern doorway mentioned in: The stonework of the northern doorway was largely renewed in the nineteenth century. It has wave-moulded jambs, voussoirs and an ogee-scroll hood mould. The original southern doorway was less important and similar in style, but with chamfered jambs. ?
• This confuses me, too: The east wall abuts the north range with a straight joint, while the joint of the north range with the west wall is obscured by plaster. because it looks to me like the east wall of the West range runs along the courtyard.
• Does It has a wooden floor and can accommodate up to sixty people seated. refer specifically to the great hall?
• I added the waney link.

I am guessing that I am missing something about the directions of the walls. It won't make sense to move on with the review of the north, south, and east ranges until I understand what is happening.–CaroleHenson (talk) 02:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Grounds

• The section looks pretty good.
• The last sentence of the 1st paragraph needs a citation.
• In the bottom half of the second paragraph - is "for" correct in which took care for the trees and transplanted various species? My mind says "of".
• I made two minor edits here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:28, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

History

Middle Ages

• In The abbot of Abingdon Abbey alleged that in 1290, Solomon of Rochester had seized the goods in it belonging to the abbey. - I am not understanding "Solomon of Rochester had seized the goods in it belonging to the abbey.
• A citation is needed for the last sentence in the second paragraph and the last two sentences in the third paragraph.
• I added a couple of links here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

College of St George

Looks good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:38, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Modern period

Looks good.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:38, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

David Astor

• I added a link and made a minor edit (an-->and) in a quote here.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

The New Era Centre

• The way that Blum died in January 1990 and Verney continued the work at The Abbey, but retired in 1985.[50] is worded, it seems that one of the dates / years may be wrong.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Gallery

It would be nice to get the images that are currently in a gallery into a one row format, or two compact rows, perhaps something like:

This could be formatted to have: a title, caption, zero border, heavier border lines, no border lines. One example is the top of my talk page. Ukiyo-e has some nice image formats.

Does this seem helpful to you?–CaroleHenson (talk) 07:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: } It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Comments

• The article is very well-written and conforms to MOS guidelines. There are a couple of open comments, particularly about the West range, which will affect the review of the north, south, and east range review. (1a, 1b)
• There is no indication of original research, but adding citations to uncited content will resolve any concern. (2c)
• The copyvio report returns hits for quotes, titles/names of things, and a few instances where there are only so many ways to word the portion of the sentence. There is part of one sentence that I put in quotes because it's a duplicate in the copy vio report. Otherwise, it looks good! (2d)
• The article covers the major aspects of the subject. At times, it gets into a lot of detail, but that is appropriate to recount The Abbey's history and architectural details. (3a, 3b)
• The article was a stub until last month when it was greatly expanded. The article has been stable since then. It is neutral. (4,5)