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== Gayatri == |
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Hi ! On http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayatri_mantra appears a significant update about the gayatri mantra. According to S. M. Hamsananda, (Le yoga de l'Amour dans la Force, nouvelles révélations, Albin Michel, 1990, 343 p., p. 215-226) quoted in the article, the mantra described and used untill now, know as the brahman's mantra is the Gayatri of the Iron Age (Kali Yuga) humanity has left in 1986 to enter in the Golden Age (Hiranya Yuga). The delivering of the new Gayatri of the Golden Age, remained secret untill now is also revealed, the translations, significations, and effects. The referring to Savitur is here, the changing part of the new mantra, replaced by "HAMSAH MANARAH MIRCHOAN", which meaning is close to the ancient one. This is no more referring to the Sun (Savitur) but, the Divine Breath (HAMSAH) of the Absolute (similar to the expanding breath of Brahma), of the Column of light MANARAH, (bridge between Celestial and Physical realms, between God and Humans) and Synthesis of God's lights as one (MIRCHOAN). So this still refers to the same thing, principle, but given an other name, according to a cosmic change of age (yuga). I think such an updates needs to be considered and the french wikipedia article be translated to complete this wiki english article (about the same subject !) [[User:Ishadawn|Ishadawn]] ([[User talk:Ishadawn|talk]]) 22:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:Hi Ishadawn, When I looked into this earlier, I saw that this doesn't meet the standards for inclusion in the English Wikipedia. This S. M. Hamsananda, even though he has proclaimed himself the "COSMOPLANETARY MESSIAH OF SYNTHESIS",[http://www.aumisme.org/gb/shm.htm] instead needs to be a notable scholar or neutral authority on the Gayatri Mantra. His views on the Gayatri Mantra might be notable to his particular spiritual organization or group, but not for inclusion in the Gayatri Mantra article on English Wikipedia. Alternately, if his views were covered by notable scholars, in academic journals for example, it ''might'' also merit inclusion. I didn't see that in my searches. [[User:Priyanath|Priyanath]] <i><sup>[[User talk:Priyanath|talk]]</sup></i> 01:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== [[Kambojas (Mahabharata)]] == |
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Can you take a look at this thing? It's more up your alley. I think this needs to be deleted as pure synthesis/OR, taking a few lines from the Mahabharata and blowing it out of proportions. What's your take? cheers. -[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#BA181F">Spaceman</font>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#2B18BA">Spiff</font>]]''' 07:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:A quick glance says it's a deletion candidate. I'll look at it again this weekend, and probably nominate it. Most of it is just about the Mahabharata, I think to try and make it look like a real article. It's interesting, if true, that the Kambojas were on the Kaurava side. [[User:Priyanath|Priyanath]] <i><sup>[[User talk:Priyanath|talk]]</sup></i> 07:12, 19 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::It's a bit difficult to compare with translations, but I found five mentions of Kamboja in the Ganguli version ([http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:yr6zBcIHjvEJ:www.eng.utah.edu/~banerjee/Ebooks/Maha02_SabhaParva.pdf+ganguli+mahabharata&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a online]) and one mention of Sudakshina. I remember a vague reference to the Kambojas being one kingdom that fought with the Kauravas (Rajaji's version, but can't remember any other mention in that). cheers. -[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#BA181F">Spaceman</font>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#2B18BA">Spiff</font>]]''' 07:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::There's some general mentions in ''Sabha Parva'' and the war specific ones in ''Shalya Parva''. (more than the 5 I mentioned above actually, but most are just in passing, like they were part of a larger group or so on). cheers. -[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#BA181F">Spaceman</font>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#2B18BA">Spiff</font>]]''' 07:33, 19 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks, I've put it up at AfD. Fyi, when I said it was 'interesting, if true...' I meant it in the sense that I found it personally interesting - it's not notable for WP. Also interesting is reading the references (dated and also not able to check them), where it claims that the Pandavas were actually Aryan invaders, and that the Mahabharata was a non-Aryan Kuru epic coopted by the Aryan Invading Pandavas. What I Learned on Wikipedia Today.... |
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:::In further news, I tried moving [[Sudakshina Kamboja]] to [[Sudakshina]], but wasn't allowed, since I'm of a lower caste (non-admin). Could you move it, or find someone uninvolved if you can't? Reliable Sources overwhelmingly call him Sudakshina, w/out Kamboja as part of his name. 16:47, 19 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:::<s>P.S. Probably the same for [[Kamboja Aupamanyava]] ---> [[Aupamanyava]].</s> Done. [[User:Priyanath|Priyanath]] <i><sup>[[User talk:Priyanath|talk]]</sup></i> 16:55, 19 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::::I'll move it, I came across this series accidentally, basically this one chap is trying to rewrite history that the Kambojas ruled over entire Asia. The number of synthesis articles is ridiculous, and given that they are sourced to two dubious books (not held in any libraries), but books nonetheless, it's difficult for a lay reader to understand that the references are not good. I'm trying to tackle them one at a time. -[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#BA181F">Spaceman</font>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#2B18BA">Spiff</font>]]''' 17:03, 19 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::::: I've noticed this fellow. I also moved [[Kamatha Kamboja]] ---> [[Kamatha]], but need help to move [[Chandravarma Kamboja]] ---> [[Chandravarma]]. There's lots more here, as I'm sure you know. [[User:Priyanath|Priyanath]] <i><sup>[[User talk:Priyanath|talk]]</sup></i> 17:15, 19 December 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::I'll take care of the move next week (need to do this bit by bit, or I'll lose my sanity!), meantime I think we should look at stubbing Sudakshina and Kamatha to only content that's reliably sourced. Most of it on Sudakshina appears to be conjecture right now. cheers. -[[User:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#BA181F">Spaceman</font>]]'''[[User_talk:SpacemanSpiff|<font color="#2B18BA">Spiff</font>]]''' 17:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC) |
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== Talk:Salt Satyagraha == |
== Talk:Salt Satyagraha == |
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Talk:Salt Satyagraha
As you have been involved in Salt Satyagraha and its talk page, I thought I'd invite your feedback on my suggestions about place names there. PMLawrence (talk) 14:06, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for asking! I've answered on the article talk page. Priyanath talk 15:27, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Avatar
Hi, Priyanth, thank you for your comments. They were helpful. The information I have added is well-known. The same information is also found in Bhakti Schools of Vedanta, by Swami Tapsyananda, although I don't have the book at hand. Please take a look at that book, http://www.vedanta.com/store/product75.html
The reference to Guna avatars is well known in Gaudiya theology. Links need not merely include books. A well-referenced web site can suffice in some cases. For example, historically, the information found in Western encylopedia sources such as Encarta have been weak. I have done the same with the article, Karma in Hinduism which is substantially my own because most Hindus mistakenly believe that karma is merely a law of cause and effect. So you can trust me.
Raj2004 (talk) 14:47, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- You really need to support your views using reliable sources. Many of the sources you are providing are not reliable sources by Wikipedia standards. Please brush up on WP:RS. I don't trust or mistrust you, since I don't know you. But if you begin using reliable sources, then your edits will be trusted, and survive over time. It's best for the discussion about specific sources in the Avatar article to continue there. Priyanath talk 16:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Websites
Priyanth, some people believe that websites are inferior sources of information. This is not the always the case. Some well-respected encylopedias such as Encarta, have poor sections on Hinduism. Some websites such as those sponsored by Himalayan Academy and Vedanta Press are very good authoritative websites. Some people may be not be aware of Himaylan Academy but those who know know it to be a reliable source! Please judge the information source, rather than the type of medium. Also please don't let one's personal bias or lack of information cloud you. I am not a believer of Dvaita but I inserted their follower's viewpoints to counter the Shaivite point of view on Narasimha and Sharbha in the avatar section.
Raj2004 (talk) 16:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- I don't care what "some people" believe. We need to follow Wikipedia policy. Your sources do not meet Wikipedia policies for Reliable Sources. Regarding specific sources in the Avatar article, please discuss at Talk:Avatar thank you. Priyanath talk 16:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't care what some people believe either. You are following your own point of view too. These sources are well-respected. Satguru sivaya subramuniyaswami of the Himayalan Academy was a well-respected Saivite scholar.
Thank you.
Raj2004 (talk) 17:27, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks, Priyanth for adding those academic resources. I knew that avatar is not central to Saivism. I don't have access to the academic sources as you guys have. Raj2004 (talk) 21:01, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- A lot of good academic sources are available using the great Google Samhita, searching in "Books" and looking for those published by academic houses or written by reputable scholars. One great benefit of using 'bulletproof' reliable sources is that the referenced information tends to last very long in an article. Anyway, the article is certainly improving, in spite of all of us :-). Priyanath talk 21:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)