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Jabba the Hutt

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Review section

The article has gone through changes over the years since its FA promotion in 2006. Issues were raised in March of last year, like large amount of unsourced/unverified info, odd and imbalanced structure/layout (e.g. appearances before design, more in-universe details and less real-world perspectives). There have been edits since, but the issues apparently still persist, i.e. haven't been yet addressed. George Ho (talk) 20:04, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

George Ho is there an update? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:41, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: I checked over and over just to be sure. All I see are minor cleanups, eliminating alternative name from lead, and reverts. Issues still unaddressed, even with "cn" tags. --George Ho (talk) 17:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

• Move to FARC, per George Ho. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:32, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
• Move to FARC sourcing concerns remain. I also think there's a lot of fancruft, with two sections talking about his appearances in the franchise. Z1720 (talk) 16:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

FARC section

Issues raised in the review section include sourcing and structure. DrKay (talk) 17:07, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

• Delist, considerable issues, no progress. Chompy Ace 08:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Striking delist for now, as work has been occurring, so keep. Chompy Ace 00:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
• Delist, goes against the manual of style, citation needed tags, definitely not up to modern featured article standards.--The helper5667 (talk) 03:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I touched it up some how does it look now? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 14:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

As I see, you removed starwars.com; from what I can tell, it was a primary source (official website) and would be reliable. Why remove it, and how is it unreliable? --George Ho (talk) 15:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

My bad I thought it was something like Wookipedia. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:00, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the touch-up. Aside from layout changes and removal of unverifiable statements, both revisions appear almost no different from each other. I can't tell whether remaining major issues are addressed. George Ho (talk) 19:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey @George Ho:, if you can give me a list of things that need to be fixed I can easily do them in hopes of keeping this a FA. Maybe give me like around a week and if it still looks bad we can delist it. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 21:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh. I was just skimming the article; I haven't thoroughly reviewed the whole article yet. Talk:Jabba the Hutt#FA criteria concerns can help if possible. George Ho (talk) 21:19, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 00:48, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

About the sources you added:

Uncertain whether Uproxx's article is trustworthy, especially as a limited liability company (past discussions).

Per WP:RSP#Screen Rant: Screen Rant is a marginally reliable source but is not considered reliable for info about living persons.

Regarding Comic Book Resources, its same company also owns questionable Screen Rant. That shouldn't make CBR less reliable, should it?

According to one past discussion, Looper is a clickbait website and unreliable.

WP:RSP is a good list of which sources to use or avoid, just in case. --George Ho (talk) 05:11, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I’m pretty sure the way I used the screen rant, cbr, and Uproxx is fine and I’ll look into replacing looper. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:48, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@George Ho: How's it lookin now? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:26, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Hmm... I wonder whether an inline ref for Kevin Michael Richardson as one of voice actors in Star Wars: The Clone Wars (film), the info you removed, is necessary. The film has ending credits and, despite being a primary source, is more reliable than looper. Sometimes, I don't use inline refs for info provided by primary sources themselves, but that's just me.

The Daily Beast's reliability has been debated for years, and the community couldn't come up an agreement about what to do with it. Yet they have reservations or cautions about using it for controversial statements about living persons, like Andrew Cuomo. I also wonder whether the Cuomo addition is due or undue weight.

Also, the community hasn't reached an agreement about the reliability of Business Insider, yet they have considered its Culture section reliable. The way you used the opinion piece to verify that person's opinions may be okay for me as long as it's not used to verify factual statements, but someone else may disagree with me.

The rest are fine to use, but that's just me. George Ho (talk) 22:15, 5 February 2022 (UTC); edited, 02:24, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@George Ho: I never used a Daily Beast ref tho, I used the Daily Voice. Also I dont see how it is undue weight I think its a good example for the past sentences right before it Outside literature, the character's name has become an insulting term of disparagement. To say that someone "looks like Jabba the Hutt" is commonly understood as a slur to impugn that person's weight or appearance. In another sense of the term, Jabba the Hutt has come to represent greed and anarchy, especially in the business world. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 02:14, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Oops. My bad! I got confused and overlooked "Voice". George Ho (talk) 02:24, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@George Ho: So what is left that I can do? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 02:35, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Hmm.... Can't think of anything else to suggest other than.... Well, best to leave the article alone for now if (1) either no major issues remain or (2) other major issues still remain, but you are unable to figure out what to do with them. George Ho (talk) 02:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

@Chompy Ace: and @The helper5667: what do you gys think of the article now? Anything that jumps out to you that I can fix? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC)