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== Thanks for fixing up the [[Donald Leifert]] page ==
== Devo ==


I created it way back in 2010 (when I was pretty inexperienced with editing on here) and it definitely needs some more work, as some could argue that certain parts might run afoul of [[MOS:OVERLINK]] for instance. So, I'll see if I can do a little more to improve it soon. --[[User:Historyday01|Historyday01]] ([[User talk:Historyday01|talk]]) 13:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
I noticed you've interest in [[Devo]] and have edited their entry recently. I wanted to let you know about a new short documentary on the band and their gear. Mark Mothersbaugh gives a tour through their studio. Might be of use for a reference or external link.


:{{re|Historyday01}} No problem! I'm glad people like us care enough to preserve the legacies of relatively obscure folks like this. I was surprised Leifert even had a page here. As for editing, I've found it's a continual learning experience. I've certainly made edits in the past that I'm downright embarrassed by now.—[[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 09:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
http://www.motherboard.tv/2010/4/21/electric-independence-inside-devo-s-ufo-studio-they-whip-it-new-wave-but-with-new-hats


== Boingo (1994) Album ==
Thanks for you editing efforts! [[User:CorridorX|CorridorX]] ([[User talk:CorridorX|talk]]) 14:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


What do you mean? Discogs is a very reliable source. It has scanned images of the liner notes that clearly shows all the credits and lyrics. I got all the info from there. [[User:Krisfrosz133|Krisfrosz133]] ([[User talk:Krisfrosz133|talk]]) 02:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
== ltw ==
hi! sorry for any confusion. i removed that section because it consists of original research and completely lacks citations...not because i disagree with the one fact about edith head. (although that one seems to be especially original research!) anyway, most of that content seems to be non-notable anyhow. preferably we can avoid an edit war here, but, in all that section is very scattered and not very encyclopedic (or verifiable), so i don't think it belongs. ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 23:42, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
:(i might find occasion to quote [[WP:V]]: "Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 23:52, 3 August 2013 (UTC))
::okay, sorry for going ahead before getting a response, but i think i've found a happy medium. per [[WP:OR]], i've moved some of the "attributable" information to "song origins", and deleted what could not be confirmed by a reliable published source at this time. perhaps deleting the entire section was a bit rash, but as i said in my original edit summary, it was only a temporary solution so that the information could be restructured and stripped of any unverifiable content. ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 00:12, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
:::You conveniently ignored many pieces of information in the article that have no source, such as the line about songs first surfacing on Dial-A-Song. If you are going to complain about all facts being verifiable, you should have to add sources for your claims as well. The fact that "Edith Head" has the same music bed as the ''Mink Car'' version and that many of these songs are ''Factory Showroom'' outtakes have been long established facts in the TMBG community for over a decade. The latter was even mentioned in the Info Club newsletter from summer of 1999. If you want to be pedantic and include a source for every single piece of info in the article (many of which are easily verifiable via TMBW), I can do that, but it will take a while. I will continue working on this. [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 00:23, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
::::whoa hey, i am not trying to be hostile here! as i said, TMBW is not an acceptable source for Wikipedia, per [[WP:RS]] (this was also discussed in a [[Template:Did you know nominations/Put Your Hand Inside the Puppet Head|recent DYK]] related to TMBG). the first three sentences (including the Dial-A-Song facroid) in the "song origins" section are actually all traceable to the Westnet interview with John Linnell. here's a quotation: "As a sort of 'premium' Dial-A-Song compilation, Long Tall Weekend collects unreleased studio material that, taken together, stands up as well as any other TMBG release. It's full of surprises -- from the longtime Dial-A-Song favorites 'Dark and Metric' and 'Token Back to Brooklyn'...". sorry if that was unclear. i'm not trying to be pedantic. not every piece of information needs a direct verifiable source, but if it is open to challenge, then it does. this is not a rule i made up, it's Wikipedia policy. sorry for any inconvenience. i'm quite aware that these facts are verified on TMBW and in the TMBG community, but that in itself '''does not''' make them eligible for inclusion on Wikipedia. that's why TMBW is a separate entity. ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 00:30, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::There are MANY pieces of information you left intact that are not verified with sources. I will be removing them. Also, where is the Linnell Westnet interview? No link is provided. ~ [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 00:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::my bad, it's [http://www.westnet.com/consumable/1999/08.23/inttmbg.html here], and i'll add it to the ref. i'm not sure what you're referring to about the unverified information? perhaps you could clarify here before an edit war ensues? i've cited all the information i added to the page, unless it exists ''de facto''...if you'd like to challenge something i can provide sources. i'm sorry if i've created a disturbance, i think i'm missing something here...sorry! ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 00:41, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::again, maybe you could clarify the changes you want to make prior to editing the page? Discogs is also a sort of wiki in that it consists entirely of user-generated content, and therefore it is not really a reliable source for Wikipedia. i'd like to accept the info club citation in good faith, but it's a bit vague...<del>could you provide a scan or transcription? unfortunately, even TMBW doesn't list any info club entries from 1999 (if you have some i'd urge you to add them there as well!).</del> ah, i think i've found the entry to which you refer; however, it does not list all the tracks you mentioned...i'll make the appropriate change. ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 01:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Well, what IS an acceptable discography source for you? There are other facts contained in the article that only cite Wikipedia itself as a source. (For example, linking to the ''No!'' page to verify that "The Edison Museum" was reissued on that album.) I just think you are being needlessly pedantic. You are the first person in 12 years that has suggested that "Edith Head" is a complete re-recording or that half of this album isn't ''Factory Showroom'' outtakes. The Info Club newsletter may not be online (or it might be hiding somewhere...hopefully), but it made a lot of this stuff common knowledge back in 1999. I have a transcription sitting right here in front of me. (I made a CD-R of the album and created my own liner notes from it.) Come to think of it, I believe there was a similar press release for ''Mink Car'' that talked about each track, including "Edith Head". I will have to search my archives at a later date. ~ [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 01:12, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::er, as previously stated, some things, like which songs were on which albums, can be accepted ''de facto'' (again, see [[WP:OR]] for a much better clarification of what i'm trying to say). you can find a list of good sources for discographical information [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Sources|here]] (note Discogs is listed in "sources to avoid"). i'm not arguing about whether or not "edith head" was re-recorded, i'm saying that there is no verifiable source for this information besides the "fan community", which can't be cited. also, i think you're referring to [[tmbw:A Song-By-Song Drive-Through Of Mink Car|A Song-By-Song Drive-Through Of Mink Car]], which doesn't actually make any reference to ltw. ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 01:20, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::So you accept those "de facto" yet remove mention that "Lullaby" had already appeared on ''Hello the Band'', an easily verifiable fact? You are being hypocritical. And yes, you did argue about "Edith Head" being re-recorded. As you said, "edith head is definitely different instrumentation: the bug-eating at the end is a giveaway. they're also in different keys." Not even close to being accurate. I will continuing revising. ~ [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 01:27, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Also, the "Song By Song Drive Through" isn't the source I was referring to.~ [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 01:29, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::i didn't actually remove the mention of "lullaby to nightmares" having been previously released, although i suppose i made it a little more vague? i don't really think that detracts from anyone's understanding of...anything, but i apologise if you disagree on that count. sorry, i was being unclear again: yes, i previously argued that "edith head" was re-recorded, but to be quite honest it's irrelevant to the current discussion. right now, my argument is that it is '''not possible to verify''' the extent to which "edith head" was re-recorded, because no verifiable source ever makes reference to it. therefore, it does not belong on Wikipedia. please clarify what you are going to "revise" before doing so. i do not understand your intent here. my only problem with the information you are adding is that it is not verified. '''i am not personally challenging the truth of the information'''. i agree that long tall weekend is mostly fs outtakes. but, again, i can't stress this enough, "'''Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it.'''" this information cannot be verified. it is original fan research. i apologise if this has come across as a personal attack, as that was never my intention, but please follow Wikipedia's policies. ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 01:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::You removed the original release source of "Lullaby" ("Hello the Band" EP), even though it is de facto information. And "Edith Head" is entirely relevant, as it was the first piece of information that you removed, which started this mess. You ask for verification before revising your words but did not afford me the same luxury. Notice that you are the first person to argue with me in the many years I've been here. I stand by my assessment: you are being both pedantic and hypocritical. I'm done. ~ [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 01:48, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


:Hi, @[[User:Krisfrosz133|Krisfrosz133]]. Discogs is not an accepted reference here, as outlined in [[WP:ALBUMAVOID]]: '''"Info is user-submitted/uploaded and fails [[WP:USERG]]."''' If Discogs is used to glean information via images, you must cite the actual liner notes, not just link to Discogs. '''"Album jackets should be sourced directly using the [[Template:Cite AV media notes]] template."''' So I took the information you'd added and cited the liner notes directly. I hope that clears things up. Cheers. — [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 11:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
== third opinion ==
hi, i just wanted to notify you that i opened a request for a [[WP:3|third opinion]] on the above discussion so that we can resolve this debate without bias. ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 01:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


== Weird Al liner notes ==
:Don't bother. I no longer wish to discuss this with you. ~ [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 01:48, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi Keymaster! Just a heads up: I think I was the one that added that note about Weird Al re-releases not containing liner notes. I believe it was because someone brought it up in a GAN review, perhaps? Either way, I don't intend to revert or anything; I just wanted to explain. :) Cheers!--[[User:Gen. Quon|<b style="background:#8B0000;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">Gen. Quon</b>]]<sub>[[User talk:Gen. Quon|<b style="background:#2F4F4F;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">[Talk]</b>]]</sub> 18:25, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
:And I will no longer revise this page...or any TMBG page, for that matter. Knock yourself out. ~ [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 01:50, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


:@[[User:Gen. Quon|Gen. Quon]] Interesting! If you find that GAN review, can you let me know? I'm curious to see what would have provoked such an odd critique. From what I know of the MOS, if we are citing the original liner notes directly, that should suffice. (Come to think of it, this is actually semi-related to an issue I'm currently trying to get resolved with regards to album information being sourced from and following the format of the original release.) Technically, the MOS implies that liners don't even need to be formally cited, and refs are only needed when there's pertinent info that's not contained in that release's notes, but I'm finding it's better to cite them anyway to prevent confusion.
::i want to stress that i had absolutely no intention of deterring constructive edits, and i did not mean to contradict the factuality of your contributions — they are just not verifiable pieces of information. i truly hope that you will reconsider. it is important to mind Wikipedia policy (not that i'm an expert therein) when editing any part of the wiki...not only TMBG articles. i apologise for any misunderstanding or unintended hostility. ~ [[User:Boomur|Boomur]] &#91;[[User talk:Boomur|talk]]&#93; 01:57, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
:It's clear a lot of care and love went into the Al pages, and I'm basically just tidying and fixing the personnel listings for better accuracy and to make them more up to typical WP standards. It seems a lot of the odder aspects of those pages are leftovers from a very long time ago. Anyway, thanks for commenting. [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 03:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
[[File:Pictogram voting comment.png|18px]] '''[[Wikipedia:Third Opinion|3O]] Response:''' Sorry to see that Keymaster does not want to consider a 3O. It has been removed from the listing. (BTW, I am not watching this page or the article.) – [[User:Srich32977|S. Rich]] ([[User talk:Srich32977|talk]]) 06:19, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
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::I'll try to see if I can find it. It also might've been motivated by comments that I received when working on TV show articles; some people requested formal citations for plot summaries, airdates, cast lists, etc. Ever since, I've tended to provide these citations (even though they, like you mention, are almost certainly redundant) just to be safe! It's an interesting issue: Primary sources are OK to use as implicit sources, so long as OR is avoided. Sometimes that's super easy, but other times, it gets tricky. Either way, I appreciate your efforts! (I worked on a lot of those Weird Al articles 10+ years ago when I was not nearly as competent of an editor, so I think the occasional scrubbin' to buff away issues and bring 'em up to snuff is never a bad thing!)--[[User:Gen. Quon|<b style="background:#8B0000;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">Gen. Quon</b>]]<sub>[[User talk:Gen. Quon|<b style="background:#2F4F4F;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">[Talk]</b>]]</sub> 14:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
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:::@[[User:Gen. Quon|Gen. Quon]] I know how you feel. I began dabbling in editing here 16 years ago but only feel like I started to somewhat know what I'm doing within the last few years. You've got me thinking that maybe I should leave the footnote about the disappearing liner notes if I should come across it again, lest I incur the wrath of one of these editors you're mentioning. Haha. I plan on tidying up the personnel sections for the remaining AL-bums in the next day or two.
:::BTW, I briefly met Al back in 2001. I saw a Ben Folds show at a bowling alley in Los Angeles and Al was in the audience, about five feet to my left, so I said a quick hello and shook his hand. He surprised the heck out of me when he got up on stage and sang "Song for the Dumped" with Ben as an encore.
:::Cheers! [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 11:31, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
::::That's super cool. I've seen a few shows of his, but have yet to actually meet him. I've heard he's very nice, though! As an aside, have you read ''[https://www.amazon.com/Weird-Al-Seriously-Lily-Hirsch/dp/1538124998/ Weird Al: Seriously]''? I just got it the other day, and it's very interesting. I'm hoping to eventually integrate some of what I read into existing articles.--[[User:Gen. Quon|<b style="background:#8B0000;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">Gen. Quon</b>]]<sub>[[User talk:Gen. Quon|<b style="background:#2F4F4F;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">[Talk]</b>]]</sub> 01:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'd never heard of that book until now, but that sounds great. Al doesn't get nearly enough credit for his musicianship, arranging skills, etc. Also, I love having an actual library of books to draw from when editing articles. It really comes in handy sometimes. [[User:The Keymaster|The Keymaster]] ([[User talk:The Keymaster#top|talk]]) 07:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
You know what, I've been meaning to be better at awarding these, so here, have this:


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Thanks for fixing up the Donald Leifert page

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I created it way back in 2010 (when I was pretty inexperienced with editing on here) and it definitely needs some more work, as some could argue that certain parts might run afoul of MOS:OVERLINK for instance. So, I'll see if I can do a little more to improve it soon. --Historyday01 (talk) 13:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Historyday01: No problem! I'm glad people like us care enough to preserve the legacies of relatively obscure folks like this. I was surprised Leifert even had a page here. As for editing, I've found it's a continual learning experience. I've certainly made edits in the past that I'm downright embarrassed by now.—The Keymaster (talk) 09:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Boingo (1994) Album

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What do you mean? Discogs is a very reliable source. It has scanned images of the liner notes that clearly shows all the credits and lyrics. I got all the info from there. Krisfrosz133 (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Krisfrosz133. Discogs is not an accepted reference here, as outlined in WP:ALBUMAVOID: "Info is user-submitted/uploaded and fails WP:USERG." If Discogs is used to glean information via images, you must cite the actual liner notes, not just link to Discogs. "Album jackets should be sourced directly using the Template:Cite AV media notes template." So I took the information you'd added and cited the liner notes directly. I hope that clears things up. Cheers. — The Keymaster (talk) 11:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weird Al liner notes

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Hi Keymaster! Just a heads up: I think I was the one that added that note about Weird Al re-releases not containing liner notes. I believe it was because someone brought it up in a GAN review, perhaps? Either way, I don't intend to revert or anything; I just wanted to explain. :) Cheers!--Gen. Quon[Talk] 18:25, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gen. Quon Interesting! If you find that GAN review, can you let me know? I'm curious to see what would have provoked such an odd critique. From what I know of the MOS, if we are citing the original liner notes directly, that should suffice. (Come to think of it, this is actually semi-related to an issue I'm currently trying to get resolved with regards to album information being sourced from and following the format of the original release.) Technically, the MOS implies that liners don't even need to be formally cited, and refs are only needed when there's pertinent info that's not contained in that release's notes, but I'm finding it's better to cite them anyway to prevent confusion.
It's clear a lot of care and love went into the Al pages, and I'm basically just tidying and fixing the personnel listings for better accuracy and to make them more up to typical WP standards. It seems a lot of the odder aspects of those pages are leftovers from a very long time ago. Anyway, thanks for commenting. The Keymaster (talk) 03:16, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to see if I can find it. It also might've been motivated by comments that I received when working on TV show articles; some people requested formal citations for plot summaries, airdates, cast lists, etc. Ever since, I've tended to provide these citations (even though they, like you mention, are almost certainly redundant) just to be safe! It's an interesting issue: Primary sources are OK to use as implicit sources, so long as OR is avoided. Sometimes that's super easy, but other times, it gets tricky. Either way, I appreciate your efforts! (I worked on a lot of those Weird Al articles 10+ years ago when I was not nearly as competent of an editor, so I think the occasional scrubbin' to buff away issues and bring 'em up to snuff is never a bad thing!)--Gen. Quon[Talk] 14:41, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Gen. Quon I know how you feel. I began dabbling in editing here 16 years ago but only feel like I started to somewhat know what I'm doing within the last few years. You've got me thinking that maybe I should leave the footnote about the disappearing liner notes if I should come across it again, lest I incur the wrath of one of these editors you're mentioning. Haha. I plan on tidying up the personnel sections for the remaining AL-bums in the next day or two.
BTW, I briefly met Al back in 2001. I saw a Ben Folds show at a bowling alley in Los Angeles and Al was in the audience, about five feet to my left, so I said a quick hello and shook his hand. He surprised the heck out of me when he got up on stage and sang "Song for the Dumped" with Ben as an encore.
Cheers! The Keymaster (talk) 11:31, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's super cool. I've seen a few shows of his, but have yet to actually meet him. I've heard he's very nice, though! As an aside, have you read Weird Al: Seriously? I just got it the other day, and it's very interesting. I'm hoping to eventually integrate some of what I read into existing articles.--Gen. Quon[Talk] 01:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd never heard of that book until now, but that sounds great. Al doesn't get nearly enough credit for his musicianship, arranging skills, etc. Also, I love having an actual library of books to draw from when editing articles. It really comes in handy sometimes. The Keymaster (talk) 07:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You know what, I've been meaning to be better at awarding these, so here, have this:

The Copyeditor's Barnstar
In recognition of your efforts to make many of Weird Al's articles even weirder better, I award you this barnstar! :) Gen. Quon[Talk] 14:42, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, that's very kind of you! Thanks so much. The Keymaster (talk) 11:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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I could have sworn I had worked on that in some capacity in the last six months. I've been working on and off on that page for several years. The Keymaster (talk) 23:59, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have requested its undeletion. The Keymaster (talk) 00:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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