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Conscription in "occupied territory" a war crime??

The article states that conscription in Taiwan before conclusion of a peace treaty with Japan constituted a "war crime". Is there any source to support this POV?

While Taiwan may have de jure been considered as "occupied territory" before conclusion of a peace treaty, so did West and East Germany before 1990, but both countries introduced conscription in the 1950s, and I'm not aware of any expert considering that to constitute a "war crime".

I think that section should better be removed from the article as unsubstantiated. VNPhone (talk) 05:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Requested move ==
-[[:Military of the Republic of China]] → [[Republic of China Armed Forces]] &mdash; It seems to be the correct name as indicated on the [http://www.mnd.gov.tw/English/Publish.aspx?cnid=43 Ministry of National Defense] website, [http://books.google.com/books?id=t6xOjzoodnMC&pg=PA63&dq=%22Republic+of+China%E2%80%8E+armed+forces%22&as_brr=3&ei=4cc2SqLJD4GczQTOntSBCQ#PPA63,M1 the National Defense Act] and [http://openlibrary.org/b/OL17985917M/brief-history-of-the-Republic-of-China-Armed-Forces this book] by the Office of Military History. [[User:Laurent1979|Laurent]] ([[User talk:Laurent1979|talk]]) 22:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
-*'''Support''' - Wikipedia convention would seem to support this: In a quick check I found articles on [[United Kingdom Armed Forces]], [[Soviet Union Armed Forces]] and [[United States armed forces]] (why no caps for the U.S., I'm not sure). <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><b><i>[[User:Ed Fitzgerald|Ed Fitzgerald]]</i> <sub>[[User talk:Ed Fitzgerald|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Ed Fitzgerald|c]]</sub></b></span> 10:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-**In fact, we do have a lot of articles that use "Military of X". See [[:Category:Military by country]] for examples. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 17:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-***Aren't those categories, though?  For instance, I find in that list "Military of the United Kingdom" and "Military of the United States", whereas the articles are as listed above. <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><b><i>[[User:Ed Fitzgerald|Ed Fitzgerald]]</i> <sub>[[User talk:Ed Fitzgerald|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Ed Fitzgerald|c]]</sub></b></span> 19:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-****Just did another quick spot check: "Military of Botswana" and "Military of Uganda" both redirected, but "Military of Albania" was an article name.  I wonder why the two different systems of naming, and if there is any reason behind the dichotomy? <span style="white-space:nowrap;"><b><i>[[User:Ed Fitzgerald|Ed Fitzgerald]]</i> <sub>[[User talk:Ed Fitzgerald|t]] / [[Special:Contributions/Ed Fitzgerald|c]]</sub></b></span> 19:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-*<s>'''Oppose''' for now. The official use may be "Republic of China Armed Forces", but Wikipedia policy prefers [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use common names of persons and things|common names]] to official names. There's no recommendation that I can find at the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Style guide#Naming conventions|style guide]] of the military history project for names of armed forces, but they do suggest "Military of X" for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Style guide|category names]], at least. I would advise sticking to "Military of the Republic of China" unless someone can show that the proposed title is much more commonly used. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 17:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)</s>
-**Indeed, there doesn't seem to be a convention on Wikipedia regarding the names of armies. I think we should go with the official name if there's no ambiguity. For instance, the German army article is called [[Bundeswehr]], the Italian one is called [[Military of Italy]] but I think that's a mistake since the article then starts with "The '''Italian armed forces''' are...". There's also [[Austrian Armed Forces]], [[Polish Armed Forces]]. Also there is a problem of consistency here as the article is named "Military of the Republic of China" but the infobox says "Republic of China Armed Forces". [[User:Laurent1979|Laurent]] ([[User talk:Laurent1979|talk]]) 19:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-***I took the liberty of leaving a note to the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Naming convention for armed forces|military history project]] with a link to this move discussion. Let's see what they have to say on the matter. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 21:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-*Changed to '''support'''. According to people at the military history project: "If we know the actual name, we use it. If we don't, we use ''Military of X.''" <small>(Summarized from [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Naming convention for armed forces|original comment]])</small> Here we know the actual name, and it's [[Republic of China Armed Forces]]. [[User:Jafeluv|Jafeluv]] ([[User talk:Jafeluv|talk]]) 19:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
-::{{done}} - I've moved the page from [[Military of the Republic of China]] to [[Republic of China Armed Forces]]. [[User:Laurent1979|Laurent]] ([[User talk:Laurent1979|talk]]) 19:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
-== Personnel ==
-What is the relevance of the reference to the US in the sentence:  "officer corps is generally viewed as being competent, capable, technically proficient, and generally pro-U.S. in outlook, displaying a high degree of professionalism".  The officer corps is no doubt very professional. If it could be regarded as pro-US, rather than loyal to the ROC government, it would not be professional, but politicised and loyal to a foreign power.[[User:JohnC|JohnC]] ([[User talk:JohnC|talk]]) 08:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
-:Well, if it's not cited, you're welcome to remove it...  Plus the fact that it's a bit POV.  [[User:Liu Tao|Liu Tao]] ([[User talk:Liu Tao|talk]]) 13:30, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
-== Appears all updates are done in ROC Air Force, Navy, Army and Marines, after working on it for about 6 months. ==
-Before, the info on those pages were at least about 5-10 years outdated, where globalsecurity.org and fas.org info on Taiwan military doesn't help too much due to they were also very old and outdated in that regard. So all are updated and good for another few years before major updates.
-So guys, finally I can go to back to hibernation and sleep for few years, or just become a lurker again. Will check in from time to time, whenever I got the time and when new weapons sales or military news regarding Taiwan pops up. Good to work with you guys, and haven't see many communists interferences for the last 6 months, which is good.
-Anyway, happy Chinese/Lunar New Year, and take care.[[User:Bryan TMF|Bryan TMF]] ([[User talk:Bryan TMF|talk]]) 04:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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-isn't ROC's space program civilian like the coast guard? i don't think it is under the military in peacetime. [[User:Akinkhoo|Akinkhoo]] ([[User talk:Akinkhoo|talk]]) 01:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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-:Aye, it's a program ran and operated by civilians, but I dunno if it can be incorporated under the military.  I just know that they do some military defence research and that they're under the Executive Yuan's supervision, that's all the relationship I know of between the Organisation and the Military.  [[User:Liu Tao|Liu Tao]] ([[User talk:Liu Tao|talk]]) 15:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
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-::It's more. The sounding rockets are based on the TK-2, and the whole project really paving the way for Taiwan's IRBM research project, ie the tracking of sounding rockets, payload section's tracking, predicting ballistic path, re-entry, and recovery.[[User:Bryan TMF|Bryan TMF]] ([[User talk:Bryan TMF|talk]]) 03:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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-:::Aye, but military technological research and develop does not mean that it is run by the military.  Unless the Military themselves oversea or run the place directly, it's not part of the Military.  [[User:Liu Tao|Liu Tao]] ([[User talk:Liu Tao|talk]]) 18:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
+Hello fellow Wikipedians,
-::::Launch location, tracking radars, command post, tracking personnel, and pretty much everything is belong to ROC/Taiwan MND. Even those "civilians" do have years of military background or connect with CSIST, and might be just "on loan" to the "space program"[[User:Bryan TMF|Bryan TMF]] ([[User talk:Bryan TMF|talk]]) 20:33, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
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-::::::The agency's former name is Tien Ma missile office---in charge of launching nuke tipped IRBM/ICBM and as the means to launch satellites into space as its cover. Exist since early 1980s..... [[User:Bryan TMF|Bryan TMF]] ([[User talk:Bryan TMF|talk]]) 00:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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-== Very expensive tactical missiles ==
+Cheers. —[[User:Cyberbot II|<sup style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyberbot II</sup>]]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User talk:Cyberbot II|<span style="color:green">Talk to my owner</span>]]:Online</sub></small> 18:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
-http://defense-update.com/wp/20101224_atacms.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+DefenseUpdate+(Defense+Update)&utm_content=Google+Reader
-As for the pricing, unless the ‘launcher modification kits’ are made of gold, the extremely high cost of several million US$ per unit for the missiles, raises a big question mark on this official announcement.
+== External links modified ==
-Include this? [[User:Hcobb|Hcobb]] ([[User talk:Hcobb|talk]]) 17:42, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
+Hello fellow Wikipedians,
-:I would suggest not including this given it is very new information. There are also many other things Taiwan is buying and there could be hidden costs not taken account of. Or the notification could simply be wrong. [[User:John Smith&#39;s|John Smith&#39;s]] ([[User talk:John Smith&#39;s|talk]]) 10:21, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
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-Seems like user 68.96.245.221 had been wiping out all the contracts.....[[User:Bryan TMF|Bryan TMF]] ([[User talk:Bryan TMF|talk]]) 04:10, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
-:Well, if you want you can bring them back - though I would just summarise what was ordered in a few sentences. I think it was a bit too long, spelling everything out with dates, etc. [[User:John Smith&#39;s|John Smith&#39;s]] ([[User talk:John Smith&#39;s|talk]]) 20:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
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-The Taiwanese military faces serious problems
+== Conscription in "occupied territory" a war crime?? ==
-http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MC18Ad01.html
+The article states that conscription in Taiwan before conclusion of a peace treaty with Japan constituted a "war crime". Is there any source to support this POV?
-== Problems ==
+While Taiwan may have de jure been considered as "occupied territory" before conclusion of a peace treaty, so did West and East Germany before 1990, but both countries introduced conscription in the 1950s, and I'm not aware of any expert considering that to constitute a "war crime".
-The Taiwanese military faces serious problems.
+I think that section should better be removed from the article as unsubstantiated. [[User:VNPhone|VNPhone]] ([[User talk:VNPhone|talk]]) 05:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
-http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MC18Ad01.html