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== Big blue button? ==
== due to... reasons ==


I have recently replaced, using [[WP:AWB|AWB]], hundreds of tautological instances of "due to health reasons" with "for heath reasons", and similarly for uses of "due to medical reasons" and "due to legal reasons". Naturally, I have excluded cases in quotations or the titles of sources.
I am requesting the {{tl|Big Blue Button}} template be added somewhere on the page. The template looks like a big blue button with text saying, "Click this button. Copy edit an article." I feel like this button would be useful for those who want to help with copyediting. - [[User:The Master of Hedgehogs|Master of Hedgehogs]] <sup>([[User talk: The Master of Hedgehogs|converse]])</sup> <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Master of Hedgehogs|hate that hedgehog!]])</sup> 13:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
:Good idea, and thanks for the suggestion! It's a painless way to get started with copyediting. All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 13:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
::Looks good on the project page, and I love the randomness {{-)}} Thanks again, {{u|The Master of Hedgehogs}}! All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 13:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)


Please consider this in your work.
== Grammar question/Commas with Nonessential Elements ==


Are there other, similar, phrases that need attention? <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 09:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello,
:Thanks, [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy]]. I can't think of anything else offhand, but will let you know if I do. All the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 12:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
:Hi Andy, thank you for your work. A few misused phrases and words I often find are:
:*"Due to the fact (that)" --> "Because / Because of / Due to";
:*unnecessary uses of "that"... "Dave Brown told reporters ''that'' the fire was deliberately lit";
:*"Impact" and "impacted (by)" where the meaning is "effect" or "affected (by)"; "The train strike has ''impacted'' thousands of travellers today".
:There's probably loads more but those may keep you busy for a while. :) Cheers, '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 21:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the suggestions, Unfortunately, most of them cannot be handled as simple find/ replace operations in AWB. I will add those that can to my to-do list. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 09:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)


== [[Jonny Bairstow]] ==
We have a grammar question about using commas in a sentence. We are currently editing the [[Israel]] page and have questions about comma use in regards to the below proposed sentence:


Hi. Although my availability is limited, I'm keen to get into GOCE again. I enjoyed it last year when I had plenty of spare time. I've selected three articles from the list and two look as if they'll be easy enough to improve. [[Jonny Bairstow]], however, could be a nightmare. It is BLP and seriously unsourced. I suspect it contains original research.
''"Israel [[Israeli Declaration of Independence|declared its establishment]] on 14 May 1948, the day the British [[End of the British Mandate for Palestine|terminated the Mandate]], and the [[1948 Arab–Israeli War|First Arab–Israeli War]] erupted."''


I need advice about how much I can do under the GOCE banner. I think large amounts of unsourced content should be removed, assuming I won't be able to find sources, but that would probably halve the size of the article. What do you think? Thanks. [[User:PearlyGigs|PearlyGigs]] ([[User talk:PearlyGigs|talk]]) 00:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
I think the two commas in the above sentence are structurally offsetting a “nonessential clause” [https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/usage-of-essential-and-nonessential-clauses][https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/punctuation/commas/commas_with_nonessential_elements.html][https://thecontentauthority.com/blog/how-to-use-two-commas-in-a-sentence]. I think that this means a nonessential clause is something that can be removed without changing the core meaning of a sentence. Since two commas are placed around the British Mandate portion, and since that portion is grammatically removable, I think that portion is grammatically a nonessential clause. Removing the non-restrictive portion, the sentence becomes


:Thank you for your help. I see that there are many "citation needed" templates at the Bairstow article, but, with 73 citations, I wouldn't call it "unsourced". It is a BLP, which requires strict adherence to being properly sourced, but I'm looking at things such as:
''“Israel [[Israeli Declaration of Independence|declared its establishment]] on 14 May 1948 and the [[1948 Arab–Israeli War|First Arab–Israeli]] War erupted.”''


::{{tq|Bairstow played in all six England matches at the 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup, though he finished with just 47 runs and a top score of 16.[citation needed][58]}} (while his involvement in the tournament is supported, his personal score isn't).
I think this is problematic because I think it gives the impression that Israel declared establishment, and the war immediately broke out. The war actually broke out the next day from an attack.
::{{tq|From 2016 to 2018, he played for Peshawar Zalmi in the Pakistan Super League.[citation needed]}} (his playing for the league is mentioned online, but I couldn't find the particular date range; however, this is likely to be something for which sources could be found).


:You would be within your right to remove unsourced text, but I myself would rather leave in such text, as long as concerned simple scoring and didn't involve extraordinary claims, such as of scandalous behavior or being the greatest player ever. [[User:Dhtwiki|Dhtwiki]] ([[User talk:Dhtwiki|talk]]) 04:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
So I recommended changing to list format to avoid using nonessential elements:
::Hi, {{u|Dhtwiki}}. Thanks for your advice. I'll work my way through it and see what I can do. The main problem is the 2013 to 2014 section which has no citations at all. I've been looking at a couple of sites, mainly ESPNcricinfo, which might provide some of the missing references. [[User:PearlyGigs|PearlyGigs]] ([[User talk:PearlyGigs|talk]]) 04:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
:::Hi, {{u|Dhtwiki}}. Nearly two weeks later, I've finally finished this. Fortunately, it's relatively easy to find sources for someone who is currently a top sportsperson. I decided to completely rewrite it, and I've revamped the structure so as to keep all relevant material together. I think it meets B-class now but it would be good to have a thorough review done, so I've added it to [[WP:GAN]]. This is the second cricket article I've tried to improve and they were both a collection of unrelated incidents following on from each other without any structure or cohesion. I think I'll stick to football! Thanks again for your advice. [[User:PearlyGigs|PearlyGigs]] ([[User talk:PearlyGigs|talk]]) 05:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


== Good article reassessment for [[Armenian Revolutionary Federation]] ==
: “On 14 May 1948, the British [[End of the British Mandate for Palestine|terminated the Mandate]], and Israel [[Israeli Declaration of Independence|declared its establishment]].”
[[Armenian Revolutionary Federation]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Armenian Revolutionary Federation/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 19:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


== Copy edit drive question ==
@[[User:Makeandtoss|Makeandtoss]] thinks that I may be overthinking the grammar and interpretation, so this is why I am seeking clarification about the grammar and whether or not the British terminating the Mandate is being used as a nonessential element in the sentence: ''"Israel [[Israeli Declaration of Independence|declared its establishment]] on 14 May 1948, the day the British [[End of the British Mandate for Palestine|terminated the Mandate]], and the [[1948 Arab–Israeli War|First Arab–Israeli War]] erupted."''


Hi all, I'm not an official part of the Guild but I've attempted to participate in this month's copy editing drive. I tried to take on a meaty article in the requests section, [[Critical Role Productions]]. I've copy edited most of it but it's extremely heavy on unnecessarily long quotes from sources; is this my responsibility to fix, or should I leave quotes alone? To make this more natural would make the overall task significantly harder and basically be rewriting most of the article. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. [[User:StewdioMACK|StewdioMACK]] ([[User talk:StewdioMACK|talk]]) 11:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
If it is being used non essentially, are there any suggestions on how we can improve the sentence grammar or how to rewrite the sentence?
:Welcome, and thanks for your help. You don't have to be a GOCE member to participate in the drives and blitzes, but copyediting GA and FA candidates usually calls for a bit of experience. The request should be tagged as {{tl|Working}} on the requests page to notify the requester and other potential copyeditors. I don't know what you mean by fixing quotes, since they ordinarily shouldn't be copyedited except for adding {{tl|sic}} or similar minor fixes. FWIW, I look at an article first before deciding on a copyedit; it helps the rest of us to finish what's started. Have fun and all the best, [[User:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:navy">Mini</span>''''']][[User talk:Miniapolis|'''''<span style="color:#8B4513">apolis</span>''''']] 14:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|StewdioMACK}} I'm going to mention a bit here if you do want to go further than a copyedit and rewrite some of the material. Heavy use of "unnecessarily long quotes" is not compatible with encyclopedic tone and can even run afoul of fair use. (In general, anything "unnecessary" should probably be trimmed.) You can paraphrase or partially paraphrase, or make a tighter summary of the material being quoted. In the last paragraph of {{section link|Critical Role Productions#Industry expansion (2022–present)}}, for example, there are three quotations which are all in agreement and building to the same point; they become repetitive, and the paragraph could probably be summarized in two sentences without any quotations. Since the article is intended for GAN, I'd at least mention the quotation issue to the requester. –&nbsp;[[User:Reidgreg|Reidgreg]] ([[User talk:Reidgreg|talk]]) 14:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the comments, [[User:Reidgreg|Reidgreg]]. I've gone ahead and rewritten a lot of sections to reduce quote-farming, and I've added a "promotional tone" template to the top of the article. Haven't published my edit yet but will when I'm done with the copy edit. [[User:StewdioMACK|StewdioMACK]] ([[User talk:StewdioMACK|talk]]) 14:45, 1 September 2024 (UTC)


==Help the Wikimedia Foundation better understand how on-wiki collaborations work==
Thank you! [[User:Wafflefrites|Wafflefrites]] ([[User talk:Wafflefrites|talk]]) 18:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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:The easiest path to sensibility would be to remove the second comma: {{tq|Israel declared its establishment on 14 May 1948, the day the British terminated the Mandate and the First Arab–Israeli War erupted.}} Otherwise, the sentence seems muddied and perhaps run-on. Could the British "terminate" the (League of Nations?, UN?) mandate (usually mandate is granted by some other entity)? Did the war erupt on account of the end of the mandate or the establishment of Israel (I'm guessing the latter)? [[User:Dhtwiki|Dhtwiki]] ([[User talk:Dhtwiki|talk]]) 22:31, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the feedback! Another editor/editors jumped in a proposed to use “intervened” for the Arab side so I think we will use that. The war didn’t really erupt because of the Declaration of Independence, it was an extension of a previous war, but more of a second phase that became international [[User:Wafflefrites|Wafflefrites]] ([[User talk:Wafflefrites|talk]]) 16:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
:::If events unfolded as described in the messages above, I think the sentence is flawed. It implies that one thing caused another and that they happened on the same day. I would break it into two sentences, something like: "Israel [[Israeli Declaration of Independence|declared its establishment]] on 14 May 1948, the day the British [[End of the British Mandate for Palestine|terminated the Mandate]]. The [[1948 Arab–Israeli War|First Arab–Israeli War]] erupted the next day." – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 12:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks! There are several editors working on this, and I think we are still determining consensus on the correct wording for additional details. Tagging Makeandtoss so that he is aware of the grammar/clarity best practices on the sentence @[[User:Makeandtoss|Makeandtoss]] (see above suggestion about breaking up the sentence) [[User:Wafflefrites|Wafflefrites]] ([[User talk:Wafflefrites|talk]]) 15:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


== Requested move at [[Talk:Gordon Campbell#Requested move 18 September 2024]] ==
== Progress chart ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Gordon Campbell#Requested move 18 September 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:SafariScribe|Safari Scribe]]</span><sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/SafariScribe|'''''Edits!''''']] [[User talk:SafariScribe|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 12:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

:I have replied at the talk page. I don't see anything for the GOCE to do there. '''[[User talk:Baffle gab1978|<span style="color:#191960">Baffle☿''gab''</span>]]''' 16:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Hello all, just FYI I created an [[:File:Articles needing copy edit by month.svg|updated version of the chart]], with only the data since 2020. On the topic, I was wondering if anyone has an explanation for the macro trends in the data (steady decline 2013&ndash;2020, near-zero in 2020, steep rise 2021&ndash;2022, slower rise 2023). [[User:Exobiotic|<span style="color:#0ac;background:linear-gradient(90deg,#00ffc3,#03f);color:transparent;background-clip:text;-webkit-background-clip:text">'''Exobiotic'''</span>]] [[User talk:Exobiotic|💬]] [[Special:Contributions/Exobiotic|✒️]] 15:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

:Thank you for your efforts. I think that once the goal of reducing the backlog and requests as much as was attained in 2020, maintaining that reduction doesn't have the same excitement. We could also take steps to lessen the speed to which our workload is added to, such as limiting requests to one, not two, open articles per requester, or, after a quick perusal, peremptorily removing {{tl|copy edit}} templates from articles that need such care less than others. [[User:Dhtwiki|Dhtwiki]] ([[User talk:Dhtwiki|talk]]) 08:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
::You know that [https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/margaret_mead_100502 Margaret Mead quote] about a few people making a big difference? I think it's true here, except it might be just two people in our case. We had [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/November 2019|one editor]] who was intensely focused on clearing short articles from the backlog in the late 2010s, and while they are still quietly one of our most active copy editors, they are no longer copy-editing many hundreds of articles per drive. In 2021, we also lost [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Membership/News/2021_Annual_Report#In_Memoriam|a prolific copy editor]] who worked on Requests and backlog articles at a high rate. I don't know if there is a way to do a robust analysis, but my gut sense is that the decrease in copy-editing activity from those two editors is the primary reason for the change in the direction of the backlog.
::
::It has been my experience as a wikignome in many maintenance areas of Wikipedia that often just one or two people are keeping a particular backlog from getting out of control. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

== May drive ==

As some of you may know, I generally clear out the 150-200 shortest articles on every drive. I don't list them on the drive page, because it becomes too bloated. That number approximately matches the backlog reduction for each drive. I will not be doing that for the May drive. I encourage any/all of you to take on that task. (I hate it when a drive doesn't provide a net backlog reduction.) Thanks and good editing! [[User:Lfstevens|Lfstevens]] ([[User talk:Lfstevens|talk]]) 19:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks for the heads-up, and for your hard work. Do you have a way of finding the shorter articles, eg a [[WP:PETSCAN|petscan]] query? [[User:Wracking|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;border-radius:9em;background:#E0E8E0; color:#1a4c39; padding:4px;">Wracking</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Wracking|talk!]]</sup> 19:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

:I'm aware of some of your efforts being only nominally recorded on the drive pages. When you say "bloated", would it be discouraging for others to be aware of your productivity, or could it be an example for the rest of us to do more? I'd be sorry to see your efforts diminished due to discouragement. [[User:Dhtwiki|Dhtwiki]] ([[User talk:Dhtwiki|talk]]) 08:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
::{{U|Lfstevens}}, I didn't mention your name directly above, because I don't like to put people on blast, but I just want to say that I have appreciated your copy-editing work for many years now. Thank you for (tens of?) thousands of copy-edited articles. I will try to pick up some of the slack for the May drive.
::
::{{U|Wracking}} and others: [https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?language=en&output_compatability=catscan&source_combination=&show_disambiguation_pages=both&langs_labels_yes=&subpage_filter=either&cb_labels_no_l=1&edits%5Bflagged%5D=both&namespace_conversion=keep&links_to_no=&project=wikipedia&sortby=size&cb_labels_yes_l=1&active_tab=tab_output&edits%5Banons%5D=both&search_wiki=&links_to_any=&links_to_all=&sitelinks_any=&cb_labels_any_l=1&manual_list=&ns%5B0%5D=1&after=&wikidata_label_language=&wpiu=any&sortorder=ascending&output_limit=&since_rev0=&outlinks_any=&minlinks=&combination=subset&referrer_url=&sitelinks_no=&smaller=8000&outlinks_no=&interface_language=en&categories=All+articles+needing+copy+edit&templates_no=&search_max_results=500&common_wiki_other=&labels_yes=&rxp_filter=&before=&doit= Here's a petscan link] to all articles under 8,000 bytes, sorted by size (currently 195 articles). Picking off sentences and paragraphs [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Copy_edit_inline&namespace=0&limit=100&hideredirs=1&hidelinks=1 tagged with Template:copy edit inline] is also a quick way to shrink the backlog. Have fun! – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 16:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
:::I"m not leaving, just need a change of pace (so many villages!) You guys are awesome. Thank you so much for all your efforts. If we hang together, we can make a huge impact on the pedia. Go for it! [[User:Lfstevens|Lfstevens]] ([[User talk:Lfstevens|talk]]) 02:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

== [[William I, Count of Nassau-Siegen]] ==

I noticed that the article [[William I, Count of Nassau-Siegen]] has been edited. Phrases that were split with references were combined with the references. They were split because the references to the phrases were different, the reference books did not give the same information for both parts. This is no longer clear now. Furthermore, texts have been modified in such a way that they no longer correspond to what is written in the reference books. Please remove my name from the article history, so that I cannot be associated any longer with this article. Regards, [[User:Roelof Hendrickx|Roelof Hendrickx]] ([[User talk:Roelof Hendrickx|talk]]) 17:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:Roelof Hendrickx|Roelof Hendrickx]]. You do not [[WP:OWN|own]] any article on Wikipedia, and you cannot stop other editors from editing content which you have written. If you have ''specific concerns'' about an edit, please bring them up at [[Talk:William I, Count of Nassau-Siegen]], or [[WP:FIXIT|fix it yourself]].
:The Guild of Copy Editors has no control over the history of any article, and this is the wrong place to bring about any request in that regard. If you would like to change your username, see [[WP:RENAME]]. If you would like to leave Wikipedia forever and change your username, see [[WP:VANISH]]. [[User:Wracking|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;border-radius:9em;background:#E0E8E0; color:#1a4c39; padding:4px;">Wracking</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Wracking|talk!]]</sup> 17:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
::I never said that I owned that article, nor that I didn't want others to edit the article.
::Bringing my concerns up on the talk page will have no effect, as the changes will never be made. I found out that it is common practise on Wikipedia to change correct into incorrect. Therefore it will useless to fix it myself, it would only lead to edit wars. That's the reason why I have no intention to contribute to Wikipedia any longer.
::I don't want to change my username or vanish, as I still use Wikidata and Wikimedia Commons. I'll try to find out how to get removed from the history of this article. [[User:Roelof Hendrickx|Roelof Hendrickx]] ([[User talk:Roelof Hendrickx|talk]]) 17:41, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
:::I took a look at the article's history. I note that you added a lot of text [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_I,_Count_of_Nassau-Siegen&diff=prev&oldid=1113682153 here], for which you might have been accorded more appreciation. However, you did seem to edit war over the fact that on Wikipedia, curly quotes and apostrophes are deprecated; and it's not unusual for editors to find fault with such enormous contributions, unless their content and style are cleared beforehand on the talk page. During their recent copy edit, [[User:ZyphorianNexus]] removed much material; apparently that led to the citations being now more vague as to what they support. I can appreciate the problem there, but haven't studied the article closely enough to determine where the fault lies. You should not worry about being held responsible for additions that are not yours; and as Wracking has indicated, it would be nigh impossible to remove your account from the edit history. [[User:Dhtwiki|Dhtwiki]] ([[User talk:Dhtwiki|talk]]) 06:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

== Jan Backlog Cleared? ==

Hi, if I'm not mistaken, there are no more articles from Jan 2023 needing copy editing. Since I'm not sure how (or if I can/am supposed to), can someone change "Help improve our oldest backlogged articles (January 2023)" in the "How you can help" section to the link to the Feb 2023 articles? Thanks. [[User:GoldRomean|GoldRomean]] ([[User talk:GoldRomean|talk]]) 01:04, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
:Yes. Thank you for noticing. I've made a change to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Left panel]], a more-or-less "hidden" page where such a change is made, being then transcluded to the page above. That's the tricky part. Any alert editor who knows how to do that can make the change. [[User:Dhtwiki|Dhtwiki]] ([[User talk:Dhtwiki|talk]]) 06:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks! [[User:GoldRomean|GoldRomean]] ([[User talk:GoldRomean|talk]]) 15:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 16:41, 25 September 2024


due to... reasons

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I have recently replaced, using AWB, hundreds of tautological instances of "due to health reasons" with "for heath reasons", and similarly for uses of "due to medical reasons" and "due to legal reasons". Naturally, I have excluded cases in quotations or the titles of sources.

Please consider this in your work.

Are there other, similar, phrases that need attention? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Andy. I can't think of anything else offhand, but will let you know if I do. All the best, Miniapolis 12:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Andy, thank you for your work. A few misused phrases and words I often find are:
  • "Due to the fact (that)" --> "Because / Because of / Due to";
  • unnecessary uses of "that"... "Dave Brown told reporters that the fire was deliberately lit";
  • "Impact" and "impacted (by)" where the meaning is "effect" or "affected (by)"; "The train strike has impacted thousands of travellers today".
There's probably loads more but those may keep you busy for a while. :) Cheers, Baffle☿gab 21:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the suggestions, Unfortunately, most of them cannot be handled as simple find/ replace operations in AWB. I will add those that can to my to-do list. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Although my availability is limited, I'm keen to get into GOCE again. I enjoyed it last year when I had plenty of spare time. I've selected three articles from the list and two look as if they'll be easy enough to improve. Jonny Bairstow, however, could be a nightmare. It is BLP and seriously unsourced. I suspect it contains original research.

I need advice about how much I can do under the GOCE banner. I think large amounts of unsourced content should be removed, assuming I won't be able to find sources, but that would probably halve the size of the article. What do you think? Thanks. PearlyGigs (talk) 00:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your help. I see that there are many "citation needed" templates at the Bairstow article, but, with 73 citations, I wouldn't call it "unsourced". It is a BLP, which requires strict adherence to being properly sourced, but I'm looking at things such as:
Bairstow played in all six England matches at the 2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup, though he finished with just 47 runs and a top score of 16.[citation needed][58] (while his involvement in the tournament is supported, his personal score isn't).
From 2016 to 2018, he played for Peshawar Zalmi in the Pakistan Super League.[citation needed] (his playing for the league is mentioned online, but I couldn't find the particular date range; however, this is likely to be something for which sources could be found).
You would be within your right to remove unsourced text, but I myself would rather leave in such text, as long as concerned simple scoring and didn't involve extraordinary claims, such as of scandalous behavior or being the greatest player ever. Dhtwiki (talk) 04:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Dhtwiki. Thanks for your advice. I'll work my way through it and see what I can do. The main problem is the 2013 to 2014 section which has no citations at all. I've been looking at a couple of sites, mainly ESPNcricinfo, which might provide some of the missing references. PearlyGigs (talk) 04:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Dhtwiki. Nearly two weeks later, I've finally finished this. Fortunately, it's relatively easy to find sources for someone who is currently a top sportsperson. I decided to completely rewrite it, and I've revamped the structure so as to keep all relevant material together. I think it meets B-class now but it would be good to have a thorough review done, so I've added it to WP:GAN. This is the second cricket article I've tried to improve and they were both a collection of unrelated incidents following on from each other without any structure or cohesion. I think I'll stick to football! Thanks again for your advice. PearlyGigs (talk) 05:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Armenian Revolutionary Federation

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Armenian Revolutionary Federation has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copy edit drive question

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Hi all, I'm not an official part of the Guild but I've attempted to participate in this month's copy editing drive. I tried to take on a meaty article in the requests section, Critical Role Productions. I've copy edited most of it but it's extremely heavy on unnecessarily long quotes from sources; is this my responsibility to fix, or should I leave quotes alone? To make this more natural would make the overall task significantly harder and basically be rewriting most of the article. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. StewdioMACK (talk) 11:21, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome, and thanks for your help. You don't have to be a GOCE member to participate in the drives and blitzes, but copyediting GA and FA candidates usually calls for a bit of experience. The request should be tagged as {{Working}} on the requests page to notify the requester and other potential copyeditors. I don't know what you mean by fixing quotes, since they ordinarily shouldn't be copyedited except for adding {{sic}} or similar minor fixes. FWIW, I look at an article first before deciding on a copyedit; it helps the rest of us to finish what's started. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 14:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@StewdioMACK: I'm going to mention a bit here if you do want to go further than a copyedit and rewrite some of the material. Heavy use of "unnecessarily long quotes" is not compatible with encyclopedic tone and can even run afoul of fair use. (In general, anything "unnecessary" should probably be trimmed.) You can paraphrase or partially paraphrase, or make a tighter summary of the material being quoted. In the last paragraph of Critical Role Productions § Industry expansion (2022–present), for example, there are three quotations which are all in agreement and building to the same point; they become repetitive, and the paragraph could probably be summarized in two sentences without any quotations. Since the article is intended for GAN, I'd at least mention the quotation issue to the requester. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:31, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments, Reidgreg. I've gone ahead and rewritten a lot of sections to reduce quote-farming, and I've added a "promotional tone" template to the top of the article. Haven't published my edit yet but will when I'm done with the copy edit. StewdioMACK (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help the Wikimedia Foundation better understand how on-wiki collaborations work

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The Campaigns team at the Wikimedia Foundation is exploring how to expand it's work on campaigns to support other kinds of collaboration. We are interested in learning from diverse editors that have experience joining and working on WikiProjects, Campaigns, and other kinds of on-wiki collaboration. We need your help:

Whatever input you bring to the two spaces will help us make better decisions about next steps beyond the current tools we support. Astinson (WMF) (talk) 19:00, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gordon Campbell#Requested move 18 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 12:25, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have replied at the talk page. I don't see anything for the GOCE to do there. Baffle☿gab 16:40, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]