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The comment "Cape Breton was illegally annexed along with Prince Edward Island in 1820" smelled bogus to me, so I did some quick searches on-line and at the library. I could find no corroboration (though as I mentioned, my searches were not thorough), so I edited the ''illegally'' out. If there really is a controversy over the legality of the 1820 annexation, we should elaborate about it a little bit and not just mention it in passing.--[[User:Indefatigable|Indefatigable]] 19:26, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
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The reference I was referring to was some correspondences from the then governor of Cape Breton that are available at the Beaton Institute. I will have a cite for it shortly... might even expand on it and add something for the Cape Breton provincialist movement. [[user:Jax9999|jax9999]]


==Religion==
The "Religious groups" data is incorrect. I've just looked up the 2001 census data and the numbers shown are for Cape Breton County only. To get the actual numbers I'll look up the data for all four counties and add them up. This data doesn't seem to be available from the 2006 or 2011 census yet, or at least I can't find it. [[User:Ken Heaton|Ken Heaton]] ([[User talk:Ken Heaton|talk]]) 23:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


== Cleanup.... ==
==Cape Breton flag==
The flags that are shown on the page are not used. Unfortunately I do not know how to do pictures so i'm just leaving the comment. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/134.117.196.120|134.117.196.120]] ([[User talk:134.117.196.120|talk]]) 15:26, 25 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: These flags are being used. There is another flag that is fairly completely unofficial that has gotten more use of late which is not listed. That is a point that can be fixed but the claim these current flags are not used is false. -[[User:Kirkoconnell|Kirkoconnell]] ([[User talk:Kirkoconnell|talk]]) 00:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


== SVG Map ==
That should help a bit...anyone else have any ideas of what else we could put in? I think more on the economy and a bit less on waterway navigation, etc., could help.[[User:Habsfannova|Habsfannova]] 03:23, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Forgive me, but I do not understand the point of these SVG maps. Coming from three diffent pages, including Cape Breton Island and Mira River, I followed links from maps with proper labels and red dots marking the locations in question, yet arrived in all three cases at the same generic unmarked "Canada Nova Scotia location map 2.svg" map. In other words, in all three cases I followed the links, loaded the higher-resolution images (on a dial-up connection, as I am in a very rural area), and came to maps with LESS pertinent information than the thumbnails I had started from!
:Looks great! I agree - there should also be more information on its years as an independent colony, more on coal mining (Sydney Field and the Inverness Field) and how this drove the steel industry. I'll see if I can get a better map which shows communities and counties in better detail.[[User:Plasma east|Plasma east]] 00:40, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Is this how the standard Wikipedia mapping system is now supposed to function? Why have a link from the thumbnail version at all?
:How about adding some population figures and more info on the tourism industry? I could be wrong but I think the island is trying to drum up interest in more toursim. --[[User:Scottanon|Scottanon]] 21:15, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)


(Good page overall, though. I mean no criticism of the editors, but I do believe there is some deficiency in the new mapping system if this is what it produces.) [[User:Heavenlyblue|Heavenlyblue]] ([[User talk:Heavenlyblue|talk]]) 00:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
i just deleted two people from the famous people area. one was deemed not wikipedia worth and the other was a joke or an insult by some one. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.224.252.5|24.224.252.5]] ([[User talk:24.224.252.5|talk]]) 08:07, 7 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:While I do not mean to justify SVG images, the idea behind them is that they are scalable and they are an open standard, meaning no copyrights associated to the format. The scalable nature of them means they can be scaled as large as you want without loss of data, like with a JPG or a GIF. I am sure you could find more reasons why they use them on Wikipedia, but it is a Wikipedia standard so I do not see them adjusting it. -[[User:Kirkoconnell|Kirkoconnell]] ([[User talk:Kirkoconnell|talk]]) 18:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


== Population? ==
== Split ==


The list of notable people from Cape Breton is too long for a general article about the island. I suggest replacing the list with a short prose section describing the contribution of notable Capers to fields where the people of Cape Breton have collectively been influential, and moving the current list to the existing redirect [[List of people from Cape Breton]]. [[User:G. C. Hood|G. C. Hood]] ([[User talk:G. C. Hood|talk]]) 00:14, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Population data would be nice. [[User:Funnyhat|Funnyhat]] 06:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


:I have no problem with the section being moved to it's own article since there is a large number of entries, but I would like to see a discussion take place to reach a consensus as to what 'notable' names are the most notable before any name is added to the prose section that will be left in this article. This could possibly stop edit wars from starting over editors adding or removing names based on their opinion as to who is more notable than others. [[User:Cmr08|Cmr08]] ([[User talk:Cmr08|talk]]) 06:42, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


*'''Support''' I'd leave two or three names in this article and move the rest over to the proposed new article. [[User:PaintedCarpet|PaintedCarpet]] ([[User talk:PaintedCarpet|talk]]) 14:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I was thinking of getting out to the college and getting into the census data would we want the historical stuff or just the latest stuff?[[user:Jax9999|jax9999]]


== Name ==


The name "Cape Breton Island" surely comes from Cape Breton, which is on the eastern side of the island. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/198.73.125.237|198.73.125.237]] ([[User talk:198.73.125.237|talk]]) 22:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
ARE THEY BECOMING THEIR OWN PROVINCE?


== Who wrote this, some idiot? ==
==History.... ==


"This discovery is commemorated by Cape Breton's Cabot established a fishing colony on the island." wat is le grammer kek <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:E320:3CD:80AD:56B5:4BB0:8C8C|2607:FEA8:E320:3CD:80AD:56B5:4BB0:8C8C]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:E320:3CD:80AD:56B5:4BB0:8C8C#top|talk]]) 00:50, 12 March 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
the section on history seems kind of jumbled. The seperate section on industrial history that cites an article called industrial history is just awkward. Im going to have to figure out something.


:I reverted the edit you are referring to because it sounded awkward. There was no need to call the editor an "idiot" because their grammar wasn't perfect. [[User:Cmr08|Cmr08]] ([[User talk:Cmr08|talk]]) 01:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
==Breton/Basque==


== Donald Trump ==
The word Breton has no relation to the Basque country. The population of these two regions have no particular relation, except that they're both French. As such, I'm deleting the reference to Basque country in the introduction. Dagonz, 9 Apr 2006


I'm going to add a small chunk of info about how they will accept anti-trump refugees fleeing the country. It's pretty funny as well as a possible political statement. [[User:UNSC Luke 1021|UNSC Luke 1021]] ([[User talk:UNSC Luke 1021|talk]]) 11:45, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
: The populations of Basque and Brittany have no relation, but I think local historical accounts refer to Basque fishermen and whalers operating from the shores of the island since the 1400s having given the name "Breton" in honour of Brittany. [[User:Plasma east|Plasma east]] 17:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


:I have taken this out because it is no longer relevant and seems to have lost its context. [[User:EdittingPrincess|EdittingPrincess]] ([[User talk:EdittingPrincess|talk]]) 18:39, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
==Settlement history==
There is a separate article called [[Settlement history of Cape Breton Island]] (which is linked in the history section) that is essentially just a repeat of some of the information contained in the history section. There's no need to repeat the same thing in two places. The separate page should be eliminated, or else a very abbreviated form of it should be in the history section, with a link like "Main article - ..." for more detail. [[User:Dsreyn|Dsreyn]] 17:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)


==Bras d'Or and fog==
== Mi'kmaq name ==
This was recently added:
:Cape Breton's hydrological features include the Bras d'Or Lake system, a fog-free salt-water fjiord at the heart of the island
Last summer, I spent a night in Baddeck, and another in Iona, and both nights, there was plenty of fog on Bras d'Or. I'm removing the "fog-free" claim for now. [[User:Dsreyn|Dsreyn]] 12:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


This article has Únamakika as the Mi'kmaq name, but the article [[Mi'kmaq]] has Unamáki. --[[User:Richardson mcphillips|Richardson mcphillips]] ([[User talk:Richardson mcphillips|talk]]) 11:46, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
==Recent changes - merging separate articles==
Separate articles on [[Cape Breton fiddling]] and [[Cape Breton Highlands]] were recently merged into the Cape Breton Island article. I think there are several reasons to keep these as separate articles / topics:
#Categories - this allows people to easily locate articles within an area of interest. However, the main Cape Breton Island article does not really belong in categories such as "Scottish styles of music", "Violins", or "Mountain ranges of Canada".
#Links - an article on a specific fiddler (say, Jerry Holland), has a link to the fiddling article. If instead this link goes to Cape Breton Island, it's much less convenient for the reader (even if the fiddling content is contained there).
#User contributions - just speculation on my part, but I think someone with an interest in a specific area (such as fiddling) is more likely to work on the article if it exists as a separate entity.
#General article style - I think it's preferable for the Cape Breton Island article to have a brief overview of everything, but leave a lot of the details to specialized articles. This makes browsing easier for someone who just wants to become familiar with Island in general (and may not want every detail on every topic), while someone interested in more depth in a particular area can just follow the link to the separate article.
[[User:Dsreyn|Dsreyn]] 17:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


== Demographics: cultures ==
:Dsreyn, I fully understand your point of view. It does make sense to have separate articles on Cape Breton Fiddling and the Cape Breton highlands, but the two were so painfully short that they '''were only a brief overview'''. I'd be overjoyed to have them separate if someone with appropriate knowledge would put the time into expanding them, but in their current state, it seemed better to merge them with the article on Cape Breton Island and flesh out that article. I'll keep my hands off of the three for a while until we hear from some other users. --[[User:G. C. Hood|G. C. Hood]] 19:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


::Thanks. I certainly agree that both of the separate articles could use more work though. That sort of gets back to my third point above - I think having them separate is more likely to invite future expansion. [[User:Dsreyn|Dsreyn]] 19:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The text says that the population can be grouped into six main cultures: Scottish, Miqmaq, Acadian, Irish, and English. Does anyone else think that amounts to six? [[User:J S Ayer|J S Ayer]] ([[User talk:J S Ayer|talk]]) 01:43, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
:After thrashing around looking for the sixth, I suspect there isn't one, and will reduce the count. [[User:J S Ayer|J S Ayer]] ([[User talk:J S Ayer|talk]]) 02:26, 3 October 2018 (UTC)


== Proposed revamp ==
:::I just noticed that you added a "mergeto" template to the [[Cape Breton Highlands]] article. Is there any reason for proposing the merge, other than you don't think that article is long enough on its own? If the article is too short (and could be expanded), the solution is to encourage expansion, not to merge it with something else (which seems more likely to discourage expansion).


I plan to do a few fixes to the article as follows:
:::There are some Wikipedia guidelines on writing articles that you might want to read - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guide_to_writing_better_articles Guide to writing better articles] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_size Article size]. The preferred style generally seems to be to break separate topics out into their own articles. [[User:Dsreyn|Dsreyn]] 15:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
* Replace unref'd with ref'd. E.g. Geo, Gov, Demographics, and Economy sections are all wholly unreferenced.

* Expand Geography. After all, this is an article about an island. Some of current geo info should probably be in a new Infrastructure section.
::::I have to agree with Dsreyn that both articles should be kept separate from this main article on Cape Breton Island for the reasons stated above. They could be expanded upon, but should remain separate, even if they are stubs. (forgot to sign this post earlier [[User:Plasma east|Plasma east]] 14:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC))
* Update Economy and Language sections and move some of their content to History.

* Try to convert any of the copious links in Further reading to ref's, delete the rest.
== Cape Breton Landscape ==
* Prune the gallery, per template, prune flag images.

* Better map for infobox.
I have some great photos I took that shows what the highlands of Cape Breton look like, should we put them on, and how would we do this. (I never edited a page before) I'll check back to see your comments.
* Revise History so that it conveys the narrative of Cape Breton itself, rather than just the usual laundry list of Prehistory - John Cabot - Acadians - Treaty of Paris - Expulsion - Loyalists - wooden shipbuilding - railways ... .

* Finally, copy edit lead, e.g. "Bras d'Or ("Arm of Gold" in French)" is folk etymology.
:: If the photos show some of the dominant features (ie. barren plateau, rising ridges along the coast, flora & fauna, etc.), then by all means, upload them. You can find instructions on the Upload file link to the left side of the page. Instead of adding the photos to this article on Cape Breton Island itself, you might want to consider uploading and linking them for the [[Cape Breton Highlands]] article.[[User:Plasma east|Plasma east]] 14:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
This will involve some [[WP:BOLD]] but [[WP:CAREFUL]] changes. Please do not revert but rather come here to discuss. I will watch this page. --[[User:Cornellier|Cornellier]] ([[User talk:Cornellier|talk]]) 22:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

==French language==

Something should be mentioned about the language demographics of Cape Breton... it seems to be a mostly francophone area, distinct from the rest of Nova Scotia. [[User:Esn|Esn]] 05:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

While Cape Breton does have large francophone populations in Cheticamp and Isle Madame, the language is virtually non-existent in daily usage elsewhere. That being said, there is a public, Acadian francophone school in Sydney and the Cape-Breton Victoria Regional School Board has a fairly popular French immersion program in five of its secondary schools.[[User:G. C. Hood|G. C. Hood]] 22:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

== Colonial Seal ==

I think it would be a great addition to the article, but I defy anyone to locate a web image of the colonial seal. That is, the original seal that was granted by the monarchy and used by Cape Breton for the brief period it was an independent colony, from 1784&ndash;1820. Does anyone has access to an archive or museum or history book with a photograph of this thing??
—'''[[User:Muckapedia|Muckapædia]]''' <span style="font-size:90%">13<sup>e</sup> déc. 2006, 11h31 (UTC+0900) '''머크백과'''</span> [[User_talk:Muckapedia|t]]ǂ[[Special:Contributions/Muckapedia|c]]



== pictures!! ==
i've never been to CBI, but i've heard it's one of the most beautiful places around. but there are no pictures! somebody should do something about it... [[User:Chensiyuan|Chensiyuan]] 17:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
:ok ive added some. [[User:Chensiyuan|Chensiyuan]] 01:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism Spreading ==

It seems the person who was vandalizing the articles on John W. Morgan, and Glace Bay, Nova Scotia has now started to do the same in this article (6 times in the last day or so). The edits were reverted by myself and another editor who has tried to stop this person from inserting bogus and outright insane statements from the articles I mentioned for months now. He was finally able to stop this vandalism by getting an IP editing ban on those articles, which is why he has moved to this article to committ his vandalism. How long does this constant childish vandalism have to occur before an IP editing ban can be considered? [[User:CapersAreCool|CapersAreCool]] 04:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess an IP ban probably won't stop the vandalism because the same idiotic edit was made to the article within seconds of an account being created. I guess the person has nothing better to do than sit around all day editing this nonsense into the articles. [[User:CapersAreCool|CapersAreCool]] 04:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


I am new to this debate but I have read all the other references to it on the other sites and I think the misunderstanding is about the history on the IQ information. There were numerous individuals who were teachers and fellow students with Morgan in Glace bay who talked at length about his IQ on the CapeBreton.com site several years ago; these people identified themselves by name and they said Morgan wouldn't talk about it but they knew the information from his teachers. The information was documented there by people who knew him at school and it is well known in his community. While one person appears determined to delete this fact, there is much more evidence for it than other IQ references elsewhere on Wiki because it is based on people who actually knew him from school. I think a lot of the silly references have resulted from frustration with one person trying to dominate all the Cape Breton sites where Morgan is referenced. It is dangerous to allow this because someone who is a political opponent posing as a friend could be trying to weaken or damage Morgan.

I don't think we should be freezing all these sites just because one person disagrees with consensus opinion and feels strongly about it. No one person should be able to veto everyone else by freezing sites and banning people.

CelticGirl2 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Celticgirl2|Celticgirl2]] ([[User talk:Celticgirl2|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Celticgirl2|contribs]]) 04:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Celticgirl is correct about this. I remember the discussion on CapeBreton.com. It is well documented and widely known in the community.

[[User:Fireguy3|Fireguy3]] 05:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)fireguy3


I think it is a disgrace that the guy calling himself KirkOconnel can take over all these Cape Breton sites. I never heard of him and doubt he even lives is Glace Bay so why does he get to shut all the sites down.05:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)Tarbishplayer <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Tarbishplayer|Tarbishplayer]] ([[User talk:Tarbishplayer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Tarbishplayer|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Kirkocconnel/Capersarecool is completely wrong on the facts of this issue. [[User:Overeditor|Overeditor]] 05:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)Overeditor

I was a member of a high IQ society from which Morgan was involved so I know this information to be a fact. See comments I made on kirkoconnell's talk page. kirk o needs to find a new obsession. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.167.240.75|142.167.240.75]] ([[User talk:142.167.240.75|talk]]) 11:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Sock Puppetry ==

Okay there "group" of Cape Bretoners who know this super speical secret about Morgan and want to include it in the artcile about the Island that Morgan lives on.

Listen up. You are clearly Sock Puppetting. This "Group" only has a couple of edits amoung them and the Usernames were created all around the same time. Please. This is an old trick. Do you think we are idoits?

Give this up. I do not want to have to troll Wikipedia and get admins to ban you whenever I see you editing, but I will.


I am guessing you guys have never heard of the Way back machine have you? Well I checked Capebreton.com in the way back machine and guess what? As far as I can tell no such discussion took place. Maybe I am wrong, there are glitches in the software, but at least I can safely say second hand information from a rumourmill website is hardly evidence to a fact. Here is the link by the way: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://CapeBreton.com

So if you do not have any proof, one valid source, the information will be removed from the John Morgan article. Here, the information will be removed regardless. Why you ask? Because as there is debate on whether it should or should not be added to the Morgan article, there is no debate on whether it should be included in the Cape Breton article. It simply should not be included.
-[[User:Kirkoconnell|Kirkoconnell]] 14:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The only sockpuppet is the ko signing on as kirk occonnel and also as capers are cool as he carries out his vendetta against Morgan; look at the records history. The CapeBreton.com references are solid and even detailed a rescue by Morgan of a young girl at Big Glace Bay Beach which Morgan's "friend" Kirk Occonnel also seems to think should be not referenced. I noticed KirkOconnel started a new item rather than addressing the people in the previous paragraph.
KirkO should be ashamed of repeatedly taunting people and calling them names like idiots. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Overeditor|Overeditor]] ([[User talk:Overeditor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Overeditor|contribs]]) 15:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->


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Brian Olsen's site describes the Wiki principal "here on Wikipedia, it is up to the consensus of editors. And consensus defines who and what is notable enough for inclusion.". KO this is not a dictatorship no matter how many names you sign on under to pursue your obsession.[[User:Overeditor|Overeditor]] 16:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)overeditor

Just because one person may have "sock puppeted" doesn't mean there aren't numerous other people here who support the view that the IQ is relevant, reliable and should be included. Next time try checking the IP addresses instead of jumping to conclusions.

The IQ issue was brought up in the 2004 debates. This is not something someone can just make up, the tapes are verifiable.

Kirk O'Connell has gone so far as to ask the Mayor in person about this issue (which VIOLATES the rule against independent research). Kirk's initial 'report' never says that Morgan denied the IQ claim (though now Kirk is saying that he did). Either way, Morgan has been clear in refusing to discuss IQ. This issue was also reported in Frank magazine as well. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.68.3.89|142.68.3.89]] ([[User talk:142.68.3.89|talk]]) 16:11, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I've no interest in wading in to the debate about whether or not his IQ is notable on his own article. It's clearly not relevant to an article on Cape Breton Island, however. The fact that he is the mayor is sufficient to establish his notability as a Cape Bretoner, which is all that's needed or appropriate here. --[[User:Brian Olsen|Brian Olsen]] 17:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


I agree it is an appropriate point for the John Morgan site and the Glace Bay site but KO has used outsiders unfamiliarity with the area to lock those sites down in pursuit of his vendetta. It is too bad he is allowed to use the Wiki to attain his political goals and call people "idiots", "losers" and "arseholes" and taunt everyone who disagrees with him and use blatant sockpuppetry without being banned himself. This looks bad for the Wiki to set one person take it over. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Overeditor|Overeditor]] ([[User talk:Overeditor|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Overeditor|contribs]]) 18:19, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:First off, I'm not agreeing that it's relevant for those other articles; I'm just saying I haven't looked into it at all. But his IQ has absolutely no reason to be a part of the article on Cape Breton Island. This article isn't about him. --[[User:Brian Olsen|Brian Olsen]] 18:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Brian: that's your opinion that the IQ isn't relevant. The IQ is a reason for Morgan's notoriety and would likely be sufficient in and of itself to have him listed on this page (even if he wasn't Mayor). This is a democratic site, and we all have our own opinions as to what should and shouldn't be added.

One thing is for sure though is that something has to be dont about kirk oconnell before every cape breton related page gets locked down. that would be very unfortunate <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.68.3.89|142.68.3.89]] ([[User talk:142.68.3.89|talk]]) 18:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:: Well I can see some people took a whole lot of time to talk about a whole lot of nothings.

1) "It is too bad he is allowed to use the Wiki to attain his political goals and call people "idiots", "losers" and "arseholes" and taunt everyone who disagrees with him and use blatant sockpuppetry without being banned himself." This sentence is without merit. I am not here for political gain, I read wikipedia for accurate knowledge. I'm sorry if that concept alludes you.

2) "Kirk O'Connell has gone so far as to ask the Mayor in person about this issue (which VIOLATES the rule against independent research). Kirk's initial 'report' never says that Morgan denied the IQ claim (though now Kirk is saying that he did)." I explicitly make it clear that it was original research and I used it solely for discussion purposes, I did not include in the article "I spoke to John Morgan and he says this". I was accused of having a vendetta against the guy when I know John, at least politically, and I help out on his campaigns. I am trying to be fair with the piece, and stating unsourced information like this is just not fair to the article.

3) "Just because one person may have "sock puppeted" doesn't mean there aren't numerous other people here who support the view" Not it does not. But it does seem that "someone" is trying to make it out like there is a lot of people on this article that support that view, when clearly it is just a select few or one.

4) "I agree it is an appropriate point for the John Morgan site and the Glace Bay site but KO has used outsiders unfamiliarity with the area to lock those sites down in pursuit of his vendetta." I've submitted names for banning due to policy violations. Admins look at your account, see the warnings and the violations you have occured and banned you. I didn't ban you, you got yourself banned by not following the policies. Loo, there are a lot of nice places where you can post whatever nonsense you want, Wikipedia is not one of them.

5) "Brian Olsen's site describes the Wiki principal "here on Wikipedia, it is up to the consensus of editors. And consensus defines who and what is notable enough for inclusion."." Now that we have Brian Olsen attention on this matter, and he agrees that the debate must now focus off of the Cape Breton page. Boy, I bet you are regretting including his name in discussion. The only people who agree with you seem to be people who don't know wikipedia policy or have their own vendetta and wish to pump their agenda out. I agree with Brian that consense is the usual form of articles, but facts are facts. If a bunch of creationist go to the evolution article and say we don't believe it exists, they don't delete the article.

It is clear to me you just want this supposed information out for the world to read, even though you have yet to find one valid veriviable source and for some reason you hate me for it. Well its not my problem. It has gotten to the point where it is ridiculous having to check every article about Nova Scotia to see if someone included a mention of John Morgan membership is some society and his supposed high IQ that he denies ever getting asseted. Please, stop being so dammed silly. -[[User:Kirkoconnell|Kirkoconnell]] 19:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

So someone creates a number of accounts all around the same time, uses those accounts just to vandalize a specific article and you say Kirk is the one who is a sock puppet. If you think anyone believes this than you are no genius. I can say that with 100% fact that I am not Kirk O'Connell. In fact, as far as I can tell, I have never met the guy, but I'm not going to just sit here and let you harrass someone so you can get your kicks. What is Kirk doing thats so wrong? It seems to me that he's just a guy who likes editing here, and this sock puppet person will go at any length to cause problems for him. As I said above, I don't know Kirk personally, but from what I know of him here, its obvious he's a much better person than the real sock puppet guy. [[User:CapersAreCool|CapersAreCool]] 19:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

:I'd like to point out that the quote from my talk page has been taken somewhat out of context. I was talking about the Wikipedia-wide consensus, which formulates the various guidelines and policies we use; I certainly wasn't suggesting that a handful of editors on one article can formulate their own consensus to override Wikipedia policies. Morgan is relevant to this article because he's the mayor, not because he has a high IQ. If anyone still believes that his IQ should appear on this page, they should take it to the wider Wikipedia community and try to change the broader consensus on relevancy and notability. In the meantime, I'll continue to remove it from this article whenever I see that it's been added back (within the 3RR, at least). --[[User:Brian Olsen|Brian Olsen]] 19:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

KO taunts editors claiming he is not subject to 3RR Rule [[User:Overeditor|Overeditor]] 21:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)overeditor

Notice how Kirk's response only would address about 25% of the issues in the quotes he presents. The problem is that Kirk takes a "it's my way or the highway" approach to this and other issues. There is no room to make any addition to any sites without kirk reverting it. As a result, many of the articles have remained the same for years. This is unfortunate and a direct result of an individual who is obviously obsessed with challenging the common consensus on here. Furthermore, as noted by the other posters, Kirk does state the 3RR does not apply to him and also attacks people personally using very offensive language. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/142.167.240.75|142.167.240.75]] ([[User talk:142.167.240.75|talk]]) 21:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Religion

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The "Religious groups" data is incorrect. I've just looked up the 2001 census data and the numbers shown are for Cape Breton County only. To get the actual numbers I'll look up the data for all four counties and add them up. This data doesn't seem to be available from the 2006 or 2011 census yet, or at least I can't find it. Ken Heaton (talk) 23:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cape Breton flag

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The flags that are shown on the page are not used. Unfortunately I do not know how to do pictures so i'm just leaving the comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.196.120 (talk) 15:26, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

These flags are being used. There is another flag that is fairly completely unofficial that has gotten more use of late which is not listed. That is a point that can be fixed but the claim these current flags are not used is false. -Kirkoconnell (talk) 00:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SVG Map

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Forgive me, but I do not understand the point of these SVG maps. Coming from three diffent pages, including Cape Breton Island and Mira River, I followed links from maps with proper labels and red dots marking the locations in question, yet arrived in all three cases at the same generic unmarked "Canada Nova Scotia location map 2.svg" map. In other words, in all three cases I followed the links, loaded the higher-resolution images (on a dial-up connection, as I am in a very rural area), and came to maps with LESS pertinent information than the thumbnails I had started from!

Is this how the standard Wikipedia mapping system is now supposed to function? Why have a link from the thumbnail version at all?

(Good page overall, though. I mean no criticism of the editors, but I do believe there is some deficiency in the new mapping system if this is what it produces.) Heavenlyblue (talk) 00:30, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While I do not mean to justify SVG images, the idea behind them is that they are scalable and they are an open standard, meaning no copyrights associated to the format. The scalable nature of them means they can be scaled as large as you want without loss of data, like with a JPG or a GIF. I am sure you could find more reasons why they use them on Wikipedia, but it is a Wikipedia standard so I do not see them adjusting it. -Kirkoconnell (talk) 18:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Split

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The list of notable people from Cape Breton is too long for a general article about the island. I suggest replacing the list with a short prose section describing the contribution of notable Capers to fields where the people of Cape Breton have collectively been influential, and moving the current list to the existing redirect List of people from Cape Breton. G. C. Hood (talk) 00:14, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with the section being moved to it's own article since there is a large number of entries, but I would like to see a discussion take place to reach a consensus as to what 'notable' names are the most notable before any name is added to the prose section that will be left in this article. This could possibly stop edit wars from starting over editors adding or removing names based on their opinion as to who is more notable than others. Cmr08 (talk) 06:42, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Name

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The name "Cape Breton Island" surely comes from Cape Breton, which is on the eastern side of the island. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.73.125.237 (talk) 22:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Who wrote this, some idiot?

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"This discovery is commemorated by Cape Breton's Cabot established a fishing colony on the island." wat is le grammer kek — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:E320:3CD:80AD:56B5:4BB0:8C8C (talk) 00:50, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the edit you are referring to because it sounded awkward. There was no need to call the editor an "idiot" because their grammar wasn't perfect. Cmr08 (talk) 01:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Trump

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I'm going to add a small chunk of info about how they will accept anti-trump refugees fleeing the country. It's pretty funny as well as a possible political statement. UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 11:45, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken this out because it is no longer relevant and seems to have lost its context. EdittingPrincess (talk) 18:39, 26 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mi'kmaq name

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This article has Únamakika as the Mi'kmaq name, but the article Mi'kmaq has Unamáki. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 11:46, 3 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics: cultures

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The text says that the population can be grouped into six main cultures: Scottish, Miqmaq, Acadian, Irish, and English. Does anyone else think that amounts to six? J S Ayer (talk) 01:43, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After thrashing around looking for the sixth, I suspect there isn't one, and will reduce the count. J S Ayer (talk) 02:26, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed revamp

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I plan to do a few fixes to the article as follows:

  • Replace unref'd with ref'd. E.g. Geo, Gov, Demographics, and Economy sections are all wholly unreferenced.
  • Expand Geography. After all, this is an article about an island. Some of current geo info should probably be in a new Infrastructure section.
  • Update Economy and Language sections and move some of their content to History.
  • Try to convert any of the copious links in Further reading to ref's, delete the rest.
  • Prune the gallery, per template, prune flag images.
  • Better map for infobox.
  • Revise History so that it conveys the narrative of Cape Breton itself, rather than just the usual laundry list of Prehistory - John Cabot - Acadians - Treaty of Paris - Expulsion - Loyalists - wooden shipbuilding - railways ... .
  • Finally, copy edit lead, e.g. "Bras d'Or ("Arm of Gold" in French)" is folk etymology.

This will involve some WP:BOLD but WP:CAREFUL changes. Please do not revert but rather come here to discuss. I will watch this page. --Cornellier (talk) 22:14, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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