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{{dyktalk|8 March|2008|entry=...that 75 people in the [[Soviet Union]] were awarded the [[Order of the Red Banner]], with their names published in ''[[Pravda]]'', for the successful '''[[Operation Priboi|mass deportations out of the Baltic States]]''' in 1949?|views=4300}} |
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== Number of deportees == |
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This article seems to have been written primarily by Baltic editors, as the loaded language seems to portray a negative viewpoint on the events that occurred. I am in no way endorsing or implying and sort of ideological, social, or political viewpoint, but I believe some of the article could be changed to state the information in a less biased way. |
This article seems to have been written primarily by Baltic editors, as the loaded language seems to portray a negative viewpoint on the events that occurred. I am in no way endorsing or implying and sort of ideological, social, or political viewpoint, but I believe some of the article could be changed to state the information in a less biased way. |
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Interchange88, you might provide detail of your reasons for using words like "loaded", "negative" and "biased". It suits you to be broad and imprecise. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.145.71.78|86.145.71.78]] ([[User talk:86.145.71.78|talk]]) 13:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Interchange88, you might provide detail of your reasons for using words like "loaded", "negative" and "biased". It suits you to be broad and imprecise. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.145.71.78|86.145.71.78]] ([[User talk:86.145.71.78|talk]]) 13:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Find a positive statement about this tragedy from an accredited scholar, and by all means, add the information to the article. Good luck. You'll need it. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.111.51.247|50.111.51.247]] ([[User talk:50.111.51.247#top|talk]]) 00:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
:Find a positive statement about this tragedy (note that the ECoHR's 2006 ruling it was a crime against humanity) from an accredited scholar, and by all means, add the information to the article. Good luck. You'll need it. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.111.51.247|50.111.51.247]] ([[User talk:50.111.51.247#top|talk]]) 00:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Aftermath section figures == |
== Aftermath section figures == |
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==1941 deportations== |
==1941 deportations== |
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Brutal Soviet deportations of Lithuanians are convincingly portrayed in Lithuanian-American author [[Ruta Sepetys]]' 2011 novel ''[[Between Shades of Gray]]'', which met with critical acclaim and has been translated into 30 languages (but not Russian). However, this first deportation occurred in June 1941, just before the Nazi invasion and eight years before '''Priboi'''. Perhaps the present article should mention the [[June deportation]]s as background. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:13, 25 March 2014 (UTC) |
Brutal Soviet deportations of Lithuanians are convincingly portrayed in Lithuanian-American author [[Ruta Sepetys]]' 2011 novel ''[[Between Shades of Gray]]'', which met with critical acclaim and has been translated into 30 languages (but not Russian). However, this first deportation occurred in June 1941, just before the Nazi invasion and eight years before '''Priboi'''. Perhaps the present article should mention the [[June deportation]]s as background. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:13, 25 March 2014 (UTC) |
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== Crimes against humanity category removal == |
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[[Crimes against humanity]] is a specific legal concept. In order to be included in the category, the event (s) must have been prosecuted as a crime against humanity, or at a bare minimum be described as such by most reliable sources. Most of the articles that were formerly in this category did not mention crimes against humanity at all, and the inclusion of the category was purely original research. [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 07:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Why is [http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22itemid%22:[%22001-72404%22]}] not enough? -- [[User:Mindaur|Mindaur]] ([[User talk:Mindaur|talk]]) 11:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC) |
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The citation stating that 70% of the deportees were women and children does not work anymore. [[Special:Contributions/2601:601:8582:8FF0:B99F:C132:9B22:C90E|2601:601:8582:8FF0:B99F:C132:9B22:C90E]] ([[User talk:2601:601:8582:8FF0:B99F:C132:9B22:C90E|talk]]) 09:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Number of deportees
[edit]In Operation_Priboi#Results table 1 says that there were ~87,600 deportees, but table 2 says ~94,800. Difference between these two tables is 7200! --Kanakukk (talk) 17:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC).
- Compared to the German Wikipedia the numbers are also different (eg 76 trains here, only 66 on the German page) 80.151.9.187 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:26, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Deaths
[edit]The high death rate is mentioned. I want some numerical estimates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.71.78 (talk) 13:28, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
- Stalin's deportation of nations usually killed about 50% in the first 18 months. The figure was often lower for Europeans,
with their better standards of personal hygiene and heavier build. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.71.78 (talk) 13:31, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Neutrality
[edit]This article seems to have been written primarily by Baltic editors, as the loaded language seems to portray a negative viewpoint on the events that occurred. I am in no way endorsing or implying and sort of ideological, social, or political viewpoint, but I believe some of the article could be changed to state the information in a less biased way. Interchange88, you might provide detail of your reasons for using words like "loaded", "negative" and "biased". It suits you to be broad and imprecise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.71.78 (talk) 13:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
- Find a positive statement about this tragedy (note that the ECoHR's 2006 ruling it was a crime against humanity) from an accredited scholar, and by all means, add the information to the article. Good luck. You'll need it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.51.247 (talk) 00:56, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Aftermath section figures
[edit]The figures seem to be repeated twice, perhaps the first three are correct ones and the other three are just copy-pasted. I cannot access the source link, anyone has these figures from any other source?
- I have access to the source and the numbers have been updated. --Nug (talk) 00:37, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
1941 deportations
[edit]Brutal Soviet deportations of Lithuanians are convincingly portrayed in Lithuanian-American author Ruta Sepetys' 2011 novel Between Shades of Gray, which met with critical acclaim and has been translated into 30 languages (but not Russian). However, this first deportation occurred in June 1941, just before the Nazi invasion and eight years before Priboi. Perhaps the present article should mention the June deportations as background. Sca (talk) 15:13, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Crimes against humanity category removal
[edit]Crimes against humanity is a specific legal concept. In order to be included in the category, the event (s) must have been prosecuted as a crime against humanity, or at a bare minimum be described as such by most reliable sources. Most of the articles that were formerly in this category did not mention crimes against humanity at all, and the inclusion of the category was purely original research. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Why is [1] not enough? -- Mindaur (talk) 11:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Citation not working
[edit]The citation stating that 70% of the deportees were women and children does not work anymore. 2601:601:8582:8FF0:B99F:C132:9B22:C90E (talk) 09:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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