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== Initial comments ==
July 1, 2006

Sorry -- I screwed up; I didn't realize the film had already been created.

I have taken some of my entries and added them to the original (and hopefully soon to be only existing) version.

Sorry, again!!

[[User:Rosemary's Baby|Rosemary&#39;s Baby]] 01:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

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[[User:BetacommandBot|BetacommandBot]] ([[User talk:BetacommandBot|talk]]) 12:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

==My edits==
I replaced a section labeled "Casting" with "Production Notes." Although statements in the original "Casting" section were referenced, few of them were substantiated by Polanski, Evans, and Sylbert in their extensive commentary on the DVD, so I removed them, since these three would know better than anyone what transpired during pre-production. (At least one of the statements I removed - "Polanski originally wanted Robert Redford to play Guy, but Redford was filming ''Downhill Racer'' (1969) at the time" - definitely is incorrect. Evans used the ''Downhill Racer'' script to lure Polanski to the project, so it couldn't have been in production.) I also added a cast list, critical reception, and awards and nominations. [[User:MovieMadness|MovieMadness]] ([[User talk:MovieMadness|talk]]) 21:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

==Rotten Tomatoes Question==
Rosemary's Baby came out in 1968. Rotten Tomatoes came out in 1998. Is it really fair to use such a web site to judge the critical reception of this, or any, old movie? Can somebody tell me what the policy is on this?
[[Special:Contributions/141.155.24.37|141.155.24.37]] ([[User talk:141.155.24.37|talk]]) 23:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:Rotten Tomatoes would simply have got a bunch of critics who presumably watched the movie when it came out to rate it. Even if they did ask a group of much younger 'professionals' to review it, it won't make any horrendous difference. You don't need to be someone with a PhD theisis or an individual who grew up before a movie's particular release date to give a logical and straightforward opinion on it. You were probably not around when Casablanca came out, but does that mean that your opinion on the film, having watched it all these years later, is less valid than your grandpa/great grandpa's? No. '''<span style="color:gray;font-family:Viner Hand ITC;">Blooded Edge</span> ([[User talk:Blooded Edge|<span style="color:gray;">T</span>]]•[[Special:Contributions/Blooded Edge|<span style="color:gray;">C</span>]]•[[User:Blooded Edge/wikiwards|<span style="color:gray;">A</span>]])''' 18:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The article should discuss the critical reception at the time of the film's release, and how present day critics see the film. Rotten Tomatoes is only useful to gauge the latter. See [[MOS:FILM#Critical_response]] and [[WP:ROTTEN]].
[[User:Eljayess|Eljayess]] ([[User talk:Eljayess|talk]]) 01:17, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

== Controversy? ==

It was quite a controversial film when it came out, especially the final Satan-worship scene.  There isn't even the word "controversy" used on the page.  Should we include this? The Person Who Is Strange 21:02, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

== Edits for clarity ==

The article suggested that Dr. Saperstein induces labor which is incorrect, Rosemary just happens to go into labor when they return to the apartment.  He does give her an injection but this is a sedative.  

The article also stated that the coven "hypnotizes" Rosemary at the end of the film, this isn't true either.  They do urge her to be a mother to her baby but there is no hypnotism involved.  [[Special:Contributions/207.67.97.117|207.67.97.117]] ([[User talk:207.67.97.117|talk]])  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 18:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Article mentioned that Hutch dies after only a few days, yet Rosemary, in her confessions to Dr. Hill, states that Hutch died three months after his coma.mndcmpn 22:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)    <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mjkelton|Mjkelton]] ([[User talk:Mjkelton|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mjkelton|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Commercial / Cigarette Advertising In Film ==
This film uses blatant advertising.  The worst is a cigarette advertisement where the husband comes home and places 8 packages of cigarettes on the table (so that the audience can see the labels, of course).  But also, for its advertisement of Vidal Sasoon at the time.  Isn't it nice that most of the cigarette executives from the company that advertised are now dead?<br />

Both of these "advertisements" are directly from the novel - it's doubtful that any "blatent advertising" was involved. --[[Special:Contributions/12.190.158.6|12.190.158.6]] ([[User talk:12.190.158.6|talk]]) 21:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

== Plot Summary ==
The plot summary is very well written.  It definitely matches the plot of the movie.

=="Marcato"==
Was Marcato the second name of the Castevets also in the novel or was the name Marcato used for the first time in the film? There's possibly a connection between "[[marcato]]" and "[[staccato]]", whereby the latter happens to be the name of the [[Johnny Staccato|eponymous TV detective]] played by [[John Cassavetes]]. A small [[hommage]]? Worth looking into. -[[User:The Gnome|The Gnome]] ([[User talk:The Gnome|talk]]) 20:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes! It's also their name in the novel. [[Special:Contributions/86.136.160.248|86.136.160.248]] ([[User talk:86.136.160.248|talk]]) 23:09, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

== Dubious ==

"Polanski … was unaware that he was allowed to make changes from the source material". I find this very hard to believe. IMDB trivia is an extremely unreliable source; they'll add most things people submit without checking them. Can anyone confirm this from a better source?&mdash;[[User:Chowbok|<span style="background:black; color:white; font-weight: bold;">Chowbok</span>]] [[User talk:Chowbok|<span style="color:black;">☠</span>]] 23:45, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Removed after 2.5 months without a comment/reply to the above request. <b><span style="background-color:#C9CAC8;color:#003F72;">Sottolacqua</span></b> <small>([[user talk:sottolacqua|talk]])</small> 00:23, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

==Odd==
I've always found it very odd that certain names or sounds keep cropping up:
* '''Ro'''man Castevet / '''Ro'''man Polanski / '''Ro'''semary / Far'''row'''
* Castevet / Cassevetes.

Has any commentary been made of these "coincidences"?  --  ♬ [[User:JackofOz|<span style="font-family:Papyrus;">Jack of Oz</span>]] ♬ [[User talk:JackofOz#top|<sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">[your turn]</sup>]] 02:03, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
:They're all witches. [[Special:Contributions/24.17.19.29|24.17.19.29]] ([[User talk:24.17.19.29|talk]]) 11:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

== Academy Award ==

The article states that "Ruth Gordon won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress, which made the film the only horror movie to receive an Oscar for a lead or supporting role until Misery in 1990." This is not true.  Frederick March won Best Actor for Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde in the 1932 Awards.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.48.60.9|213.48.60.9]] ([[User talk:213.48.60.9|talk]]) 10:41, 12 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

PS the quoted source is also incorrect.  Should this sentence be removed?  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.48.60.9|213.48.60.9]] ([[User talk:213.48.60.9|talk]]) 10:44, 12 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I have cut the sentence down to ""Ruth Gordon won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress."  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/213.48.60.9|213.48.60.9]] ([[User talk:213.48.60.9|talk]]) 12:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== "See also" ==

Why is [[ Anton Szandor Lavey ]] mentioned in the "See also"? It is like putting "See Also [[ baby ]]" just because the movie is about a pregnancy.
If it is interesting that Anton made a joke about being a consultant for this film then that fact should be included in the article text. A better link for the See Also ''might'' be to [[ Satanism ]]. [[User:Cryptarch|Cryptarch]] ([[User talk:Cryptarch|talk]]) 10:49, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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== Rosemary’s Baby in Psych ==

I just wanted to make a suggestion to add in the “In Popular Culture” section that Rosemary’s Baby is also alluded to in Psych season 6 episode 11 titled “Heeeeeee’s Lassie!”, which portrays a young pregnant woman named “RoseMarie” who bears close resemblance to Rosemary and also has an actor husband. 

Thank you! [[Special:Contributions/73.9.190.206|73.9.190.206]] ([[User talk:73.9.190.206|talk]]) 05:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

== Inaccuracies ==

Rosemary was given the tanis root pendant after she became pregnant, not before. Also, Rosemarie did not hallucinate the rape scene. It really happened to her, with all the creepy nude Satanic cult members watching. She did experience some drug-enhanced visions such as leaving Hutch (her kindly father figure protector) behind and drifting off, clearly a subconscious fear emerging. [[Special:Contributions/166.181.88.197|166.181.88.197]] ([[User talk:166.181.88.197|talk]]) 05:29, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

:No, Rosemary was given the tannis root pendant before she became pregnant.  It was on an evening when Guy went to the Castevets' apartment, supposedly to listen to more of Roman's theater stories, but really to further discuss how they were going to arrange for Satan to impregnate Rosemary.  After he is gone, Rosemary settles down to read a book.  She is then interrupted by Minnie's knock on the door.  Minnie then enters along with Laura Louise, (and I think a third party whose identity I can't remember at the moment), to spend the evening with Rosemary.  Minnie shortly pulls the tannis root pendant out of somewhere on her person, while seemingly absorbed in her knitting, and nonchalantly hands it to Rosemary.  It's before the pregnancy. [[User:Jersey Jan|Jersey Jan]] ([[User talk:Jersey Jan|talk]]) 14:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

== Requested move 9 October 2023 ==

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* [[:Rosemary's Baby (film)]] → {{no redirect|Rosemary's Baby}}
* [[:Rosemary's Baby]] → {{no redirect|Rosemary's Baby (disambiguation)}}
– Given the [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2015-07-01&end=2023-10-08&pages=Rosemary%27s_Baby_(film)%7CRosemary%27s_Baby_(novel)%7CRosemary%27s_Baby_(miniseries)%7CRosemary%27s_Baby_(30_Rock) massive difference in page views,] this seems like an obvious PTOPIC. [[User:QuietHere|QuietHere]] ([[User talk:QuietHere|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/QuietHere|contributions]]) 21:18, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - page views aren't everything, and I think it ignores the cultural impact of the novel. Better to keep all disambiguated. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 07:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. In addition to the page views, the film has had a much greater impact than the novel. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 06:01, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
*:"much greater impact" seems inaccurate. See the lead of [[Rosemary's Baby (novel)|the novel's article]], the second reference, and my comment below. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 14:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
*::You might be right. I don't doubt the impact of the novel. My impression is that the movie was the bigger deal, but that's purely subjective. That's why I think pageviews are usually the much more important indicator of primary topics. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 19:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
*:::This was also my impression which is why I was surprised to see how these pages were arranged, and also why I went to check page views before making my proposal. In this case, I think they paint a striking picture of just how felt that cultural impact actually is, and I think they are the best measure available for this discussion. [[User:QuietHere|QuietHere]] ([[User talk:QuietHere|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/QuietHere|contributions]]) 23:58, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
*::::Page views do not historical importance make. Note the text of the second reference on the 1967 novel's page, which succinctly explains why no primary exists between the film and the influential novel: "Levin's frightening little book...triggered the whole modern boom in American horror fiction, making possible the success of [[William Peter Blatty]]'s (much inferior) ''[[The Exorcist (novel)|The Exorcist]]'' (1971), the ''[[The Omen (franchise)|Omen/Damien]]'' series of films, and the careers of novelists [[Stephen King]] and [[Peter Straub]], among many others". [[David Pringle]], ''Modern Fantasy: The 100 Best Novels''. London, Grafton, 1988. {{ISBN|0246132140}} (p.103-5) [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 00:31, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per the cultural importance of the novel. From its lead: "It was the best-selling horror novel of the 1960s, selling over 4 million copies. The high popularity of the novel was a catalyst for a 'horror boom', and horror fiction would achieve enormous commercial success." [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 14:26, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
* '''Oppose''' The book is significant in its own right and the current disambiguation is justified. Also [https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Rosemary%27s_Baby about 20%] of people who land on [[Rosemary's Baby]] click through to the novel, though that number might be a bit misleading. [[User:ChromeGames|ChromeGames]] ([[User talk:ChromeGames|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/ChromeGames|contribs]]) 06:54, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. The novel would have little significance or exposure but for the film. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 12:31, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

:*'''Support'''. The book may be the best-selling horror novel of the 1960s, but the film is considered one of the greatest horror films of all-time, not just the 60s. In the year 2023, the film is clearly far more culturally   significant than the book.
:[[User:Cryptkeeperfun|Cryptkeeperfun]] ([[User talk:Cryptkeeperfun|talk]]) 14:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:::"Cultural significance" means all-time historical importance, not based on year-by-year changing favor or recent public or generational awareness of a topic. The novel and the film both hold equal cultural significance in the overall timeline with the novel providing a groundbreaking directional shift on this type of literature (a path which many of the following culturally major films followed). Thanks. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 14:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::::That's a good point. Perhaps pop culture would have been a more appropriate term than cultural significance. In the year 2023, the film clearly plays a much larger role in pop culture than the book. [[User:Cryptkeeperfun|Cryptkeeperfun]] ([[User talk:Cryptkeeperfun|talk]]) 15:42, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, yet the criteria for primary rests on two pillars: page views and historical cultural significance. The novel and film both have legitimate claim to primary, so as co-primary topics the disamb page would still apply as the touchstone page for the topic. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 15:57, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
::::::Agreed on cultural significance, but if page views are indeed also playing a factor in this decision, then the film (roughly 70%) clearly wins over the book (roughly 20%). [[User:Cryptkeeperfun|Cryptkeeperfun]] ([[User talk:Cryptkeeperfun|talk]]) 16:03, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
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==Anton LaVey==
Is Anton LaVey in the movie?  I've heard he is, and I've heard he isn't and the claim is a fraud.  I'm not asking just to ask, but since he was the founder of the Church of Satan, it might be appropriate to put something in the article about it.  But without knowing, I don't want to do it myself.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.22.36.21|98.22.36.21]] ([[User talk:98.22.36.21#top|talk]]) 23:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->