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== Definition? ==

Does the term '''Deaf American''' only apply to US Americans or anybody who speaks ASL as their primary language, regardless of their nationality? [[User:Clr324|Clr324]] ([[User talk:Clr324|say hi]]) 13:25, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

: {{re|Clr324}} Precisely. The problem here is the article title, because as you pointed out, the article really isn't about what passport they own, it's about the culture nationwide, for everybody regardless where they're from.  This article should probably be retitled "Deaf culture in the United States", and then the amiguity about nationality or background goes away. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 01:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

== Merge proposal ==

{{Discussion moved from|Talk:Deaf culture#Proposed merge/rename}}

The article [[Deaf culture]] deals with substantially the same topic as this article.   Most of [[Deaf culture]] (everythng dealing with the U.S., which is 90% of it) should be merged here, so that there is one article about the topic. (Then, the "Deaf culture" article should be turned into a [[WP:SS|summary-style]] article covering Deaf culture worldwide, instead of trying to duplicate material here.) [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 01:04, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

{{reply to|Mathglot}} I support both the merge and the renaming; I think both are logical proposals. I have no idea how to effect either improvement, however. [[User:1980fast|1980fast]] ([[User talk:1980fast|talk]]) 04:48, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{re|1980fast}} Thanks for your feedback.  Not to worry, I'll take care of the rename and the merge after a time, I just want to let it sit for a while, so everyone can have their say and make sure there's consensus, or at least, no strong objections to it. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 07:30, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I've started to implement this: the [[{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}#Terminology|Terminology]] section, which dealt exclusively with U.S. content, has been moved over. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 07:59, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

== Title rename ==

This article isn't really about "Americans" but about the culture of Deaf people living in the United States, regardless what their nationality happens to be. Thus per [[WP:PRECISION]], the logical name for this article is [[Deaf culture in the United States]].  That title is, in fact, currently a redirect to [[Deaf American]], but to be accurate, it should be the other way around. This was first raised by [[User:Clr324]] in the [[#Definition?|section above]]. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 01:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
: There hasn't been any discussion of this, and as I consider this an uncontroversial move, I will go ahead and do it as a [[WP:ROBIN|round-robin move]]. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 03:48, 18 July 2019 (UTC) 
:: {{done}} The previous lead was entirely unsourced; slapped a section title over it ("[[{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}#Introduction|Introduction]]") so I didn't have to deal with it as part of post-move cleanup.  I did write a new lead, however, to have a starting point.  It should probably be expanded. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 06:31, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

== Merge from Deaf bing ==

Merge from [[Deaf bing]] in progress. Created a new section, [[{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}#Further reading|#Further reading]] here, and copied all the references from Deaf bing here. This provides a baseline for merging content, using short footnotes, if desired. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 19:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

: Copy of section [[Special:Permalink/962722236#List of common deaf tendencies|#List of common deaf tendencies]] from the Deaf bing article:
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* '''Calling for attention:''' Where hearing people can get someone's attention by saying their name or by audibly moving toward another person, deaf people often use visual and tactile means of attention-getting.  Deaf people use their hands to wave to get other people's attention before beginning to sign.<ref>{{Cite book|last=Chamberlin|first=Mary|url=https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=aO3FDEIgbDQC&pg=PA97&dq=Deaf+bing&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiy0oW5m4TqAhWio3EKHRs0D-QQ6AEIJzAA|title=Dear Friends and Darling Romans|date=April 2012|publisher=John Harding|isbn=978-1-938375-03-3|language=en}}</ref> Not only waving their hands, but they also use their legs to stomp on the floor so another deaf person can feel it. Another attention-getting strategy is to throw an object into another person's field of view(pillow, pencil, and any small things) or to flash the lights to get others' attention.<ref>{{cite web |title=How do I get a deaf person's attention? |url=https://www.visuallyspeaking.info/how-do-i-get-a-deaf-persons-attention/}}</ref> The majority of Deaf people use that even at Deaf schools. Getting students' attention is to flick the lights in the classroom to get everyone's attention at once.<ref>{{cite web|title=Visual attention in the early childhood classroom|url=http://www.raisingandeducatingdeafchildren.org/2018/04/02/visual-attention-in-the-early-childhood-classroom/|last=Hasko|first=Janna|date=April 2, 2018|website=raisingandeducatingdeaf|publisher=|url-status=live|archive-url=|archive-date=|access-date=}}</ref>
* '''Chatting in the kitchen:''' Deaf people always gather in the kitchen because the kitchen has the best light in the house. Deaf people need lights to see each other clearly when they are talking with each other.<ref name="autogenerated1">{{Cite web|title=Deaf Culture American Sign Language (ASL)|url=http://asluniversity.com/asl101/topics/culturestudyguide.htm|website=asluniversity.com|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref>
* '''Deaf clubs/gathering:''' A while ago when technologies weren't much popular. Many Deaf people are isolated in their homes. They set up Deaf clubs for deaf people to get together and socialize. Almost every state has its own deaf clubs for deaf people to entertain their time on Friday and Saturday evenings.<ref>{{Cite journal|last=|first=|date=2009|title=Deaf Clubs|url=https://ifmyhandscouldspeak.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/deaf-clubs/|journal=Ifmyhandscouldspeak|volume=|pages=|via=}}</ref> The current status of deaf clubs, they aren't popular like 30 years ago. The reason for declining numbers in deaf clubs, technologies, social media, and video phones take over. It keeps them in touch and in the loop without meeting up in person.<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Padden|first=Carol|date=2013|title=Decline of Deaf clubs|url=http://quote.ucsd.edu/padden/files/2013/01/Decline-of-Deaf-Clubs.pdf|journal=UCSD|volume=|pages=|via=}}</ref>
* '''Deaf night out:''' After all deaf clubs go down, deaf people come up with a new idea for gathering time. On the first Friday or Saturday of the month, they get to meet at the bar, or pub to socialize.  The purpose to have the night gathering is to have fun and meet more deaf people.<ref>{{Cite news|last=|first=|date=|title=Social|work=Gallaudet University|url=https://www.gallaudet.edu/life-at-gallaudet/the-nations-capital/social|url-status=live|access-date=}}</ref>{{Failed verification|date=May 2020}}
* '''Deaf standard time:''' Deaf people tend to take a long time to leave the events or friends houses. Deaf people usually move to new spots to chat when they know they are supposed to leave.<ref>{{Cite web|title=Fun Things to Know about Deaf Culture - SignOn Connect|url=https://signonconnect.com/2018/03/11/fun-things-to-know-about-deaf-culture/|date=March 12, 2018|website=Sign On|language=en-US|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref> It has a reason behind, based on our history (20 or more years ago), deaf people didn't have much access to the phone to chat with each other so they use all the opportunities to chat when they are together.<ref name="autogenerated1" />
* '''Physical affection:''' In the Deaf community, deaf people are a small community and they have common behavior of physical affection. Deaf people experienced oppression in this society together. This article, argues that deaf people are affectionate in order to show how much they understand and care for each other.<ref>{{Cite web|title=Deaf Culture Physical Touch {{!}} MT&A Sign Language Interpreting Practice|url=https://www.mtapractice.com/2017/02/02/deaf-culture-physical-touch/|date=February 2, 2017|website=MT & Associates Sign Language Interpreting Practice|language=en-US|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref> For example, Deaf people naturally give each other a hug when we say hello and say goodbye. 
* '''Deaf family:''' In the Deaf community, There are few deaf people who come from deaf families. All of the members of the family are deaf. Deaf families are a normal family just like hearing families just use their own language. They are also considered "ELITE" in the deaf community because they have a network around the deaf community, or even connect to other deaf families.<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Mitchell|first=Ross E.|last2=Karchmer|first2=Michael A.|date=April 1, 2004|title=When Parents Are Deaf Versus Hard of Hearing: Patterns of Sign Use and School Placement of Deaf and Hard-of-Hearing Children|url=https://academic.oup.com/jdsde/article/9/2/133/492760|journal=The Journal of Deaf Studies and Deaf Education|language=en|volume=9|issue=2|pages=133–152|doi=10.1093/deafed/enh017|pmid=15304437|issn=1081-4159}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|title=What It's Like to Grow up in a Deaf Family|url=https://www.teenvogue.com/story/deaf-parents|last=Marcus|first=Lilit|website=Teen Vogue|language=en|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|title=Deaf culture in an American deaf family|url=https://www.cnn.com/2015/11/23/living/deaf-culture-all-american-family-cnn-digital-short/index.html|first=Thom |last=Patterson|website=CNN|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|title=DawnSignPress - Store|url=https://www.dawnsign.com/products/details/audism-unveiled|website=www.dawnsign.com|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref>
* '''Deaf generation:''' Deaf people bragging about their numbers of deaf generations. Every time they meet new people and begin chatting about personal life, or families. Deaf people mentioned their third, fifth, or eighth deaf generation. To show how much deaf families stand and strong over the years of oppression by society.<ref>{{Cite news|last=Tavner|first=Sarah|date=May 30, 2008|title=A family with hereditary deafness speak of their pride in being deaf|language=en-GB|work=The Guardian|url=https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2008/may/31/familyandrelationships.disability|access-date=May 7, 2020|issn=0261-3077}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|title=Inside Deaf Culture — Carol Padden, Tom Humphries|url=https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674022522|website=www.hup.harvard.edu|language=en|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref>
* '''Deaf people use facial expressions:''' Deaf people use their facial expressions to express their language. It shows the emotional and understanding of the conversation. Deaf people use their eyebrows for rhetorical questions.<ref>{{Cite journal|last=Elliott|first=Eeva A.|last2=Jacobs|first2=Arthur M.|date=March 11, 2013|title=Facial Expressions, Emotions, and Sign Languages|journal=Frontiers in Psychology|volume=4|pages=115|doi=10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00115|issn=1664-1078|pmc=3593340|pmid=23482994}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|title="If You Are Not Using Facial Expressions You Are Not Using ASL" American Sign Language (ASL)|url=https://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/topics/facial-expressions-if-you-are-not-using.htm|website=www.lifeprint.com|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref>
* '''Chatting through the window:''' Two people can chat in sign language through the window, or with mirror/window reflection. Deaf people don't need to use sounds/voice to understand each other.<ref>{{Cite web|title=DeafSpace: deaf window and hearing door|url=https://www.handspeak.com/culture/index.php?id=131|website=www.handspeak.com|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref>
* '''Deaf people have a hard time finding a job:'''  Deaf people struggle to find a job because they simply can't hear. The company usually does not want to pay for the interpreters for deaf employer's access during the job.<ref>{{Cite web|title=Problems Faced by Deaf Individuals in Finding Jobs|url=https://work.chron.com/problems-faced-deaf-individuals-finding-jobs-23030.html|website=work.chron.com|language=en|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref>
* '''Deaf people use Sign Language interpreter:''' Many deaf people use a Sign Language interpreter when meeting with hearing people such as in a doctor's appointment, Social Security appointment, interview, or work meeting. If there are no interpreters around, the appointments could be longer due to writing back and forth or lack in communication such as missing important information.<ref>{{Cite web|title=When Is Sign Language Interpreting Required By Law?|url=https://www.accreditedlanguage.com/interpreting/when-is-sign-language-interpreting-required-by-law/|website=Accredited Language Services|language=en-US|access-date=May 7, 2020}}</ref>
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: Where it doesn't duplicate material already present, this content could be merged into the article. A likely merge location is section [[{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}#Norms of Deaf American culture|#Norms of Deaf American culture]]. Since that section is entirely unsourced, and this one is copiously sourced, it could perhaps simply be dropped in as replacement content. (In that case, the recently added "Further reading" section can be blanked, as it duplicates all the refs here.) [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 20:16, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
: Addendum: turns out that section [[{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}#Norms of Deaf American culture|#Norms of Deaf American culture]] was created all at once in 2010 by {{u|KissFist}} in [[Special:Diff/336243965|this edit]]. Since that time, no citations have been added, and it remains unsourced.  I'm inclined to just remove the contents, and replace it by the well-sourced section in the collapse box above. Adding [[User:Shalor (Wiki Ed)]]. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 03:02, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

== Why there is a deaf culture ==

The article doesn't address the central and fascinating subtopic of why there is such a thing as deaf culture, but not, for example, any such thing as a "[[blind culture]]" (notwithstanding the fact that there is an article about it). This would be a good subproject for a Wiki Ed course assignment. Hint: start with the influence of language on culture, and if comparing to blindness, the difference between a natural language, and an encoding <small>(poorly described at [[encoding]], which has mistakes and could use much improvement)</small>, such as [[Braille]]. Adding [[User:Ian (Wiki Ed)]], for next time you see a class related to this topic, which is close to my heart. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

== Deaf art section ==

My [[Special:Diff/1185234918|recent edit]] was reverted impressively quickly. Now I admit, I ''did'' fuck up the formatting and make a pretty terrible typo, but I still think the core idea was there. The section is not in an encyclopaedic style at all. Case in point: a direct block quote from a book without the article stating where the quote came from. The assertion that there exists a "Deaf essence" also strikes me a bit esoteric on its face. I assume the book's author knows what they're talking about, but this terminology isn't common at all. Without knowing the exact definitions of the source, the reader won't reasonably be able to know what the section is talking about. As such, simpler language should be used. The section should be rewritten to fix these two issues. [[Special:Contributions/157.181.131.146|157.181.131.146]] ([[User talk:157.181.131.146|talk]]) 12:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)